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raccoondad Agreed. Digital freedom and basic morals go hand in hand.

Had Telegram implemented encryption by default, making the majority of chats encrypted, they would not have been able to moderate much. Albeit that doesn't mean they would have been oblivious to everything going on.

But in this case, they were asking for trouble.

    yore WAY to many lazy sysadmins out there hosting services without any care of the harm they might cause...this is coming from a lead sysadmin of multiple fairly active websites

    I have actually filed abuse reports to MAJOR ISPs and have been told, outright, "sorry we aren't filing this because we want your full name and address and if you don't give it we will throw out the abuse report" (which is against the law mind you, I already gave them the details of the abuse report, they just required my personal info to actually take action)

    Its very popular behavior it seems, it puts a bad taste in my mouth as someone who very much understands, from experience, the harm an abused service can be to a lot of very vulnerable people. Its almost malicious how little some sysadmins seem to care

      router99 The word "censorship" has a bit of a bad connotation.

      But there are many things that admins should moderate, most of which are obvious and don't need to be listed. It's a shame that such content often goes by untouched in the name of digital rights/freedom.

      router99

      For major social media sites: slander/dangerous disinfo, promotion of violence, shock content, personal information, vile bigotry, stuff of that realm...

      Basically things that make modern social media abysmal if not impossible to use.

      For the internet at large: see what ICANN is doing, basically that...maybe a bit better with scams/malware

        Comments here started to get too political, so I removed some and replies to them. The discussion will remain locked (unless another moderator chooses to unlock it) because I suspect posts will start to be political again.

        Please see this post and the linked thread here GrapheneOS to see the project's response to the the OP in this thread and the news.

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          raccoondad I understand what you are saying, and I agree that public channels should be moderated, but beyond this, there is ambiguity in the language that the French have released up until now. If they are complaining just about moderation of public content, then O.K, even though Telegram has definitely stepped up their moderation in recent years. However, if they are wanting to gain access to private conversations and it's simply that telegram is not complying, then I fully back telegram for not doing so.

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            raccoondad
            For major social media sites: slander/dangerous disinfo, promotion of violence, shock content, personal information, vile bigotry, stuff of that realm...

            So?
            Don't like it - don't watch it. Take your nanny state mentality elsewhere.

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              I hope Durov is able to make his escape from the putrid EU scumbags and is more careful in the future which countries he visits. France has sunk to the very bottom. But it was probably at the behest of the US anyways. I wish the Durov brothers all the best and they will do well to avoid the "free world". What a joke the West has become.

              GrapheneOS posted a thread about the misconception that Telegram is a private messaging app and how user data is at risk of being seized if governments are going after them due to the overall lack of end-to-end encryption:

              What about if same thing happens to GOS? A warrant to hand over all user data...

                GeorgeSoros A warrant to hand over all user data...

                What data? GrapheneOS does not have telemetry in the OS. I can only think of the forum but I don't want to speak on matters I have no knowledge on. Best not to speculate.

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                other8026 because I suspect posts will start to be political again.

                I think you suspected right 😉

                I don't mind a productive discussion. But after seeing some recent posts that have political sentiments at the end of their questions, in their usernames, bios, or even their profile pictures, I can't say how appropriate that is anymore.

                Anyway, I trust you mods will do what you feel is most appropriate.

                AlanZ

                Slander/Promotion of violence is illegal.
                Shock content (like porn) should be tagged as such and censored for those who opt in for it, especially if the platform has children on it.
                I think social media sites have the right (and responsibility) to remove bigoted content
                Sharing personal information should be illegal

                No offense but I can tell you don't have fictitious news stories cited when people shout slurs in your face IRL. That would probably change your mind on how social media companies should operate.

                Also how is this a 'nanny state', its a social media platform, not a government. Outside of some basic "it should be illegal to commit terrorism" statements, I haven't really talked about legal issues here.

                At the end of the day, Telegrams CEO was arrested because he didn't do squat over user safety. Fully deserved IMO.

                  locked That's very true, but I also kind of doubt they would go over telegram of all places if it was about private messages.

                  Granted, that might be a byproduct of this whole ordeal anyways, which is unfortunate.

                  GeorgeSoros We explicitly make it so we're not in a position to provide data since we don't get it in the first place. We don't offer any service that would require user data like Telegram. Telegram could've made E2EE the default but chose to instead develop their platform in a way where the vast majority of 1-1 chats and all group chats are not E2EE and therefore is information that can be asked for.

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                    raccoondad

                    Slander/Promotion of violence is illegal.
                    Shock content (like porn) should be tagged as such and censored for those who opt in for it, especially if the platform has children on it.
                    I think social media sites have the right (and responsibility) to remove bigoted content
                    Sharing personal information should be illegal.

                    Your personal take (and maybe that of your community or government) on what is illegal and what should be banned does not give you the right to dictate that bullshit worldwide. Different places - different ideas, different definitions of what freedom means.

                    No offense but I can tell you don't have fictitious news stories cited when people shout slurs in your face IRL. That would probably change your mind on how social media companies should operate.

                    Nothing would change my mind when it comes to absolute freedom of expression. Don't superimpose your laughable fragility on me.