GrapheneLover
The problem is that XMPP isn't really user friendly at all at a level where normies would ever consider using it. Conversations doesn't have a desktop app, for example.

    wuseman Conversations doesn't have a desktop app, for example.

    You can use dino instead.

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      There are not vulnerabilities, there are features suited for governments.
      All apps has vulnerabilities, In terms of security nothing is perfect, It is more interesting for an attacker to waste time looking for bugs in widely distributed applications than in a minority one.

      Icecube
      The average user is never going to use Dino on their desktop and Conversations on their phone. Most other clients are the same on both.

        Javcek Session is pretty decent but has some bugs. I use it occasionally but the biggest issue for any secure messaging platform is if I only have one or two contacts on it and everyone else I talk with can't be bothered to use it, there's little value. I use signal, session and even whatsapp, they have their own strengths and weaknesses but are all far superior to sms.
        I like signal, it has a larger user base, a low barrier for entry and despite a lot of concern about having to provide a phone number, is quite secure.

          My family and I have been using Session for a year or so.

          All in all, we prefer Signal, for fewer annoying things, but like the onion routing and the no phone number requirement of Session.

            However, I will try Session again. It doesn't require any registration and that's what I care about most. It doesn't make it a problem for me to set up an account on Matrix but for my family members it would be an added inconvenience.

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              Javcek set it up for them, all they have to do is use it. No excuse.

              I have set up a matrix server to use with my family. It runs great !

              Olvid How long have they been in the game? Safe to use?

              Which messenger for the moment that are user friendly is best for privacy, security and is anonymous? (You can say Signal too if no phone number was required)

                I like the approach Snikket is taking. It's not reinventing the wheel. XMPP, which is very well tested, robust, lightweight and has proven it can be extended for new usages as the world evolves throughout the years. With OMEMO for robust, secure and private E2EE. Built on top of existing popular server (Prosody) and clients (Conversations and Siskin) and contributing back to upstream. All with a consistent branding for easier adoption by non techies. I wish it was more popular so that it coul get more funding, collaborators and a larger ecosystem for easy deployment of servers etc.

                I wish all the effort that was spent towards building the bloated, complex and complicated Matrix would have been spent extending XMPP further, building more servers, clients and gateways.

                  brightjob4495 May i ask, could you mention some benefits of XMPP over matrix? I do not know neither very well, i only heard that they are similar