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  • Email providers with own push notifications

Duckduck As far as I know, push notifications from Vanadium only work via FCM so you'll need Google Play Services installed for that to work.

      [deleted] You sure about that?

      Seems a poor choice of implementation if that's the case.

          csis01 ALL email providers can PUSH notifications. Its a feature of IMAP,

          I use FairEmail and run my own IMAP server.

          Mail notifications via IMAP IDLE are reliable and immediate. Battery use has not decreased noticeably at all.

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              ve3jlg I don't wish to and don't have time to run my own email server. I am premium Proton user but for the lack of notifications (as I said in my first post, without sandboxed Google Play), I am forced to run to Tutanota (thanks @[deleted]), which works great. I use Simple calendar pro (with local backup), so no Proton calendar. And I could use their VPN for free also (without secure core). So at the moment they are a bit of a letdown.

                Hello SgtSurehand an all the others here in the thread,

                I've never used google servives at all and I don't need my device to show emails immediately. So I really don't have experiences with these settings.

                But, just for my understanding and maybe as a proposal for you, why don't you use for example any emailprovider together with FairEmail (K9-Mail) and allow FairEmail to notice you when new emails arrive?
                I have just tested it: I changed the settings in FairEmail and allowed it noticing me when new emails arrive. I sent an email from my desktop computer to my email account on my pixel and ~ three seconds later my pixel beeped. Is this different to push notifications? Where are the advantages?

                malatoi

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                  malatoi From what you are saying it is clear to me that you have NOT tried to set up your third party client with service like Protonmail or Tutanota, or you would have found out it simply does NOT work. Because of how they work, you have to use a dedicated native app to access them. And Tutanota seems to have their own push notifications implemented while Protonmail doesn't and it's unclear when it will (creators of one of the most respected privacy software bundles seem to be perfectly happy with using FCM or they would have done something about it by now).

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                      posteo + k9mail

                      malatoi FairEmail (K9-Mail)

                      Fairemail and k9mail are two very very different pieces of software.

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                          I know, that you can't run Tutanota or Protonmail in an email client. But in the title you wrote "Email providers with own push notifications", so I didn't know that you are focused on the two. And my post was on the one hand a proposal to try a solution without push notifications and on the other hand a question where the difference is between push notifications and the behaviour of p.e. FairEmail and p.e. Posteo (which is my combination).

                            csis01

                            Yes, you are right: I didn't mean that they are the same. I should have written FairEmail ( or K9-Mail). They are the two reliable email client apps I know and use or used. They both can handle account from every (?) provider (not Tutanota and Protonmail ;) ) and they can notice you, when new emails arrive.

                            malatoi

                              Even though it is already solved for SgtSurehand, i am pretty happy with mailbox.org and posteo.de. Both are payed services, but come without advertisement and privacy features. I use them with FairEmail and get notifications for incoming emails, but they work with K9-mail as well.

                              I really would like to get an answer to my question: Is there a real difference between using push notifications and (in my example) FairEmail together with Posteo. In my experiment

                              I sent an email from my desktop computer to my email account on my pixel and ~ three seconds later my pixel beeped.

                              What's the point using push notifications? Is it that faster? Is it more reliable? Is it...?

                              I am really curious about it.

                                malatoi What a "push" notification means, is that the SERVER initiates a message to the CLIENT by utilizing an existing connection that was opened some time ago by the CLIENT.

                                IMAP, the protocol used to receive email, supports a persistent connection that the server will use to push messages to the client. Fairemail, using an IMAP connection to any server, will receive PUSH notifications.

                                To make that more explicitly clear; you ARE using push notifications.

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                                    Good choice Sgt! Their a really good company ran by proper privacy enthusiasts who own all their own servers, simple to use, fully transparent and responsive if you need to query anything.

                                      csis01

                                      Thanks for the clarification! I allways thought, that the term "push notifications" is bound to Google or Meta (Facebook, Whatsapp, Instagram). So, in my understanding now, push notifications technically is a service of a company or project, which works in the background and notices you, when new messages arrive. And the app does not have to be switched on for this. Basically it's neutral and not mandatory harming privacy.
                                      I just remembered, that I use Threema and they offer since severeal month (?) their own push notifications, called Threema Push.

                                          I also use both posteo and mailbox.org with FairEmail and notifications work very well 🌷

                                          Recently I was thinking about the security of FairEmail github account / dev keys tho... In case their systems are compromized, we are screwed. And they are obviously not a big company with large security budgets...

                                          Apart from tutanota, does anyone knows a larger email service that has an app with notifications working without Play Services?