Email providers with own push notifications

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[deleted] Any good reason to not just install Google Play Services?

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[deleted] yeah thanks, I already have it and trying it out. I also run sandboxed Google atm, but won't if I can avoid it, get me? Main reason is I would like to keep everything in one profile

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[deleted] I wouldn't use it too but as of now, it's still not realistic because a lot of things depend on Google Play Services.

csis01

[deleted] ALL email providers can PUSH notifications. Its a feature of IMAP, which is the network protocol.

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csis01 In case of Proton mail that only works on desktop via proton bridge. There is currently no suitable substitution to their native app on Android or iOS.

ve3jlg

csis01 ALL email providers can PUSH notifications. Its a feature of IMAP,

I use FairEmail and run my own IMAP server.

Mail notifications via IMAP IDLE are reliable and immediate. Battery use has not decreased noticeably at all.

csis01

[deleted] You sure about that?

Seems a poor choice of implementation if that's the case.

Duckduck

[deleted] in chromium, pwa based notifications are supported if you let the browser run in background
https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/3220216?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid

Doesnt always work, though

treequell

Duckduck As far as I know, push notifications from Vanadium only work via FCM so you'll need Google Play Services installed for that to work.

Duckduck

treequell shoot. Did not know that. Thanks for clarification

Oggyo

csis01 You sure about that?

@[deleted] is correct. Currently, the Proton Mail Bridge has no Android support.
https://proton.me/support/imap-smtp-and-pop3-setup

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ve3jlg I don't wish to and don't have time to run my own email server. I am premium Proton user but for the lack of notifications (as I said in my first post, without sandboxed Google Play), I am forced to run to Tutanota (thanks @[deleted]), which works great. I use Simple calendar pro (with local backup), so no Proton calendar. And I could use their VPN for free also (without secure core). So at the moment they are a bit of a letdown.

malatoi

Hello SgtSurehand an all the others here in the thread,

I've never used google servives at all and I don't need my device to show emails immediately. So I really don't have experiences with these settings.

But, just for my understanding and maybe as a proposal for you, why don't you use for example any emailprovider together with FairEmail (K9-Mail) and allow FairEmail to notice you when new emails arrive?
I have just tested it: I changed the settings in FairEmail and allowed it noticing me when new emails arrive. I sent an email from my desktop computer to my email account on my pixel and ~ three seconds later my pixel beeped. Is this different to push notifications? Where are the advantages?

malatoi

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malatoi From what you are saying it is clear to me that you have NOT tried to set up your third party client with service like Protonmail or Tutanota, or you would have found out it simply does NOT work. Because of how they work, you have to use a dedicated native app to access them. And Tutanota seems to have their own push notifications implemented while Protonmail doesn't and it's unclear when it will (creators of one of the most respected privacy software bundles seem to be perfectly happy with using FCM or they would have done something about it by now).

csis01

malatoi FairEmail (K9-Mail)

Fairemail and k9mail are two very very different pieces of software.

malatoi

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I know, that you can't run Tutanota or Protonmail in an email client. But in the title you wrote "Email providers with own push notifications", so I didn't know that you are focused on the two. And my post was on the one hand a proposal to try a solution without push notifications and on the other hand a question where the difference is between push notifications and the behaviour of p.e. FairEmail and p.e. Posteo (which is my combination).

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posteo + k9mail

malatoi

csis01

Yes, you are right: I didn't mean that they are the same. I should have written FairEmail ( or K9-Mail). They are the two reliable email client apps I know and use or used. They both can handle account from every (?) provider (not Tutanota and Protonmail ;) ) and they can notice you, when new emails arrive.

malatoi

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Thank you for replies, appreciate your input. Going with Tutanota for reasons mentioned here https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/4669-email-providers-with-own-push-notifications/19
Solved for me

tango

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Good choice Sgt! Their a really good company ran by proper privacy enthusiasts who own all their own servers, simple to use, fully transparent and responsive if you need to query anything.

thure

Even though it is already solved for SgtSurehand, i am pretty happy with mailbox.org and posteo.de. Both are payed services, but come without advertisement and privacy features. I use them with FairEmail and get notifications for incoming emails, but they work with K9-mail as well.