Are you losing any features from stock os?

Lusca

stefan10022 Google Pay does not work to my knowledge (correct me if I am wrong)

It would be nice to have a non exhaustive list of all Stock OS features that do not work on GOS.

Also has anyone tried turning on the 'Modify System settings' permission?

matchboxbananasynergy

Lusca Google Pay works, but NFC Payments through Google Pay won't work. Google specifically doesn't allow non Google certified OSes to use that functionality.

https://grapheneos.org/usage#banking-apps applies.

hemlockiv

An honest list of Pixel OS features that don't work would be a great resource, and transparency makes everyone happy.

In addition to the ones listed above, I can think of...
Call Screen
Hold For Me
Shizuku*
Pattern unlock
Face-recognition unlock
Double-tap on back of phone**
Weather info on lock screen
Trusted Device unlock
Most QS tiles don't work from lockscreen
Select text via screenshot/Recent Apps view
Voice typing
Pixel Stand fast charging
Audio captioning

It's getting late and that's all I can think of for now

*and any app-based script execution. May also affect things like Termux and Tasker, although I don't use them enough to confirm
**The app TapTap replicates this feature

nid

hemlockiv Most QS tiles don't work from lockscreen

This one is a feature actually, although they could have made it toggleable.

MetropleX

hemlockiv Call Screen
Hold For Me
Shizuku*
Pattern unlock
Face-recognition unlock
Double-tap on back of phone**
Weather info on lock screen
Trusted Device unlock
Most QS tiles don't work from lockscreen
Select text via screenshot/Recent Apps view
Voice typing
Pixel Stand fast charging
Audio captioning

Shizuku - Not an unavailable Pixel OS specific feature. It is ill advised to use ADB on a production device as it opens up massive attack surface that can be exploited. Doing so on GrapheneOS is antithetical to the projects stated aims. Any persistent state such as the package manager data files, persistent settings, permissions, special access grants, etc. is attack surface for verified boot and attestation. That includes non-user-facing settings including development permissions intended for use via ADB, etc https://nitter.net/GrapheneOS/status/1618069440280817664
Termux and Tasker work fine within the scope.
Pattern Unlock - provides a false sense of security. You should use a randomly generated 6 digit PIN so you have working encryption based on the secure element throttling. Pattern unlock doesn't have nearly enough choices at each step and encourages an even narrower set than that. Not an unavailable Pixel OS specific feature but a conscious decision by the development team within the scope of the project as an enhancement to security.
Facial Recognition Unlock - This does work but ONLY on Pixel 4. Pixel 4 had dual infrared cameras + dot projector + flood illuminator which provided a more secure approach than a fingerprint scanner. Pixel 7 approach is far worse.
Weather Info on Lockscreen - Could be worked around if an app with a persistent notification was used and enabled on the lockscreen.
Most QS Tiles don't work on Lockscreen - Not an unavailable Pixel OS specific feature but a conscious decision by the development team within the scope of the project as an enhancement to security.
Voice Typing - works so long as you're using GBoard and have Faster Voice Typing enabled for Offline dictation with Network Permission revoked after the language pack has downloaded (3 mins should be enough to download with network enabled and maybe language and IME dependent). Or you could also use an app like Sayboard.

junkanon

hemlockiv I'd have to add depricated location services. I am running google maps but I have a real hard time getting a good location fix unless I run the GPS test app to get a satellite fix. Once I do that it runs fine but it's definitely a hassle having to do that every time before I open the app.

hemlockiv

nid This one is a feature actually, although they could have made it toggleable.

OP asked what abilities they will be losing by switching from stock Pixel OS to Graphene. If a user capability is restricted, that is losing something. (Whether the QS restriction is a "feature" or not is simply opinion. I agree that it, like all other instances where user capabilities were restricted, should be toggleable. Add a big 'ol "Enabling this will create a security vulnerability!" warning if need be. Personally, I don't like when programmers take away user choice. If I wanted to baby-proof my phone, there are apps for that.)

hemlockiv

hemlockiv OP asked what abilities they will be losing by switching from stock Pixel OS to Graphene.

Toasty

For me the one feature that is not present on GOS that I really wish it can be included is call recording :(
Like yea Pattern unlock, voice assistant are cool features but I'm totally fine without them don't really care that much comparing to the benefits GOS provides.
But calling recording to me personally at least is quite important.
Have been dealing it for days trying to find a practical method that works without defeating the purpose of installing GOS in the first place.

Raccoon

Newbie here, we definitely need a list of exclusives that are working or non working. BTW, does text and image extraction from recent menu working?

hemlockiv

Raccoon BTW, does text and image extraction from recent menu working?

No, it doesn't (or at least, I haven't found a way to make it work). That's what I meant by:

Select text via screenshot/Recent Apps view

I think that functionality involves Google Lens and/or Assistant, so it would be pretty privacy-violating to let it extract text from any screen at any time. I'm currently trying out Textbender as a FOSS alternative; it uses an Accessibility overlay to let you select any on-screen text. Main limitation, I think, is that it has to be rendered text, not text that's OCR'd from an image.

dipole

The biggest one for me is android auto. I have a newer vehicle and really enjoy using my cars big entertainment screen for maps

Raccoon

hemlockiv I believe it does uses Google Lens and not assistant, can you test it out?

hemlockiv

Raccoon I'm not sure what you want me to test out? For the record, Textbender does work pretty well.

I have Google Lens installed (and Assistant, actually) but I do not have any option to select text from the Recent Apps view. I have a feeling that was only possible when those Google apps had high-level system privileges, which Graphene makes a significant effort to undo, and for good reason.

Raccoon

hemlockiv thank you

eautalus

I miss the ability to pay with Google Pay; the lack of this feature prevents so many from switching to GrapheneOS.

matchboxbananasynergy

eautalus Nothing for GrapheneOS to do there. It's on Google (or any other app) that chooses to blacklist non-Google certified OSes.

They could support GrapheneOS if they wanted to:

https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide

Equal2024

eautalus Some banking apps will have an NFC pay feature. On my banking app, however, it is the sole feature which does not work with the sandboxed Google Play/Google Play Services/GSF fapps.

Blastoidea

We all have to distinguish and choose between what we “enjoy” and what we “need”.

For some, it is a struggle.

hemlockiv

Hey, has anyone noticed that the option to automatically copy a code from an SMS notification doesn't work when the screen is locked? I feel like this wasn't always the case, but it definitely is now. Is that a recent change?

treequell

hemlockiv You can change which notifications are shown on the lock screen from Settings > Privacy.

hemlockiv

treequell Let's try this a different way. Have you ever gotten a 2FA code via SMS? Do you know how Android has a button in that SMS notification that allows you to copy the code to clipboard without opening the notification? (If you don't, try doing a DDG image search for "copy 2fa code sms android" or similar. You'll find plenty of examples.) That's what we're talking about here. That button no longer works while the phone is locked.