Jirafa And does that version actually let you sign in and use the app actively without forcing you to upgrade to a newer version? 10.52.1 is an even older version than 10.54, which is now blocked from being used after you have signed in.
And even if it does work now, it would be wise to not rely on it to keep working into the future. They are almost definitely going to ban older versions from being used to connect to their servers in the future.
Jirafa In the end, this is just an artificial extension of life. The machines still work but the brain has long been dead. How long will this work with old versions...
Jirafa We can't fix apps going out of the way to ban using GrapheneOS. It's not a technical problem or something missing on GrapheneOS. It's these apps using the Play Integrity API to ban using any aftermarket OS or device not certified by Google. It's highly anti-competitive and clearly illegal but happening anyway. Regulators and courts move slowly and don't have much technical knowledge. Google is trying to mask it as being for security purposes to justify the anti-competitive behavior. People shouldn't fall for it. Permitting a device with no security patches for 8 years but banning a far more secure OS than the most secure one they permit (stock Pixel OS) is clearly not a security-based decision. They provide no way for GrapheneOS to be permitted and most of what companies have to comply with to be certified is not security related but rather Google defending their monopolies and overall business interests.
You can't do that without first uninstalling the app, because of Android's downgrade protection. The info you're replying to is outdated and Revolut now blocks using version 10.54 and probably older versions as well. The recent report of an even older version than that now suddenly working isn't clear.
GrapheneOS So what keeps you guys going?
It looks like you're staring at your fade away as we speak...
pirron4 overall, only a small number of apps are not working on GrapheneOS because of Play Integrity and more may follow, but it's hardly the end of the OS, so please don't act like it is.
As the project account has said, what Google is doing is illegal and the project is talking regulators in the EU. Here's a quote:
United States v. Google LLC (2020) recently found that Google's Android partner system and therefore the Play Integrity API based on it is illegal.
We're in active contact with the EU Commission about the Play Integrity API and are hopeful they're going to do something about it.
other8026 overall, only a small number of apps are not working on GrapheneOS because of Play Integrity and more may follow, but it's hardly the end of the OS, so please don't act like it is.
As the project account has said, what Google is doing is illegal and the project is talking regulators in the EU. Here's a quote:
This is the Gordian knot that needs to be cut. But the mills of bureaucracy grind slowly, very slowly... so we have to wait and see what will be faster in the end: The bureaucracy or the app makers who will go for Play Integrity.
It certainly won't be or become the end of the project, but the critical mass of apps will contribute significantly to the future.
Sorry, that's not a black painting, but unfortunately you can't sugarcoat it either.
AlphaElwedritsch Sorry, that's not a black painting, but unfortunately you can't sugarcoat it either.
Sure. I was more responding to the "fad[ing] away" part of their comment. Not trying to sugarcoat anything. It's a problem, but not that bad.
No one's sugarcoating anything. Quite the opposite; it appears to me that many members in this community are determined to stay pessimistic, posting bleak predictions about the future of GrapheneOS across several threads – some even in threads they clearly haven't read and understood – simply to express their feelings of determined hopelesness. I've avoided interactions in these threads because I foresee responses akin to "suck it up, dude", "just give up", and "you're naïve for even thinking this is possible". If someone had given me such responses face-to-face in a discussion about the Play Integrity API, I would likely have burst out laughing at the absurdly frank and negative response. Here, I just close the thread because I feel sure there's more coming, and I'd rather engage with something constructive.
Justvan update here, I'm still pingpongingbwith revolut support. I think it's literally just AI I'm writing with. This company support is horrible.
I just want them to cancel my sub, I can't even do that anymore without logging in
Jirafa I have tried 10.52.1 on a fresh install and it's not working (update to the last version message is displayed just after set the account phone number)
other8026 overall, only a small number of apps are not working on GrapheneOS because of Play Integrity and more may follow, but it's hardly the end of the OS, so please don't act like it is.
As long as you have at least one of the "small numbers" that is a deal breaker, then that is a deal breaker. I am not dramatic or sensationalizing the topic. I assume it's on the minds of most if not all users. I might be wrong of course.
When I ask what keeps you going is to get the perspective of the developers. Clearly they know something that many of their users don't, which keeps them more optimistic.
It's a simple question. No intention of painting anything. Whatever the answer is, is for anyone to decide what that means to them.
pirron4 I have received an official answer from Revolut to my official complaint and the answer is, basically: "No, GrapheneOS is not supported and no plans to support it into the future".
The app is working fine (including the login process) in crDroid, that includes a workaround that resolves it (at least until May). It doesn't seem logical that the GrapheneOS developers don't include it.
pirron4 As long as you have at least one of the "small numbers" that is a deal breaker, then that is a deal breaker. I am not dramatic or sensationalizing the topic. I assume it's on the minds of most if not all users. I might be wrong of course.
My device has zero apps installed from the Play store and does not have Play installed.
pirron4 When I ask what keeps you going is to get the perspective of the developers. Clearly they know something that many of their users don't, which keeps them more optimistic.
Perhaps they are aware that some substantial fraction of the user base doesn't use Play? I don't know how many fellow abstainers there are, so I'm just speculating. But I think "most if not all" is speculation too. Not everybody wants to bank on a phone! Perhaps some banks have usable web apps!
de0u the near future of banking apps, at least all I use, is to move to apps instead of webapps. Using bank apps you can confirm operations using the app instead of a SMS code, that is less secure.
pirron4 As long as you have at least one of the "small numbers" that is a deal breaker, then that is a deal breaker. I am not dramatic or sensationalizing the topic. I assume it's on the minds of most if not all users. I might be wrong of course.
That is precisely the crux of the matter.
You only need a single app that you are dependent on. Be it a bank, insurance company or government app. It doesn't matter, just a single one that doesn't work.
And then the whole GOS is gone. Or any other (security) custom ROM. No matter which one.
GOS can't do anything about it either. The problem lies at the core.
Then you just have to switch to stock. No matter what the cost.
All the clever slogans won't help. From the moralizers or messiahs. This is also not doom and gloom or predicting the end of GOS. That is far from me.
But it's just a fact
AlphaElwedritsch GOS can't do anything about it either.
GOS devels has the ability to remove these limitations, at least temporally, but it seems has decided to do not do anything, either optionally.
