Revolut mobile finance - not supported on devices with custom firmware problem

AlphaElwedritsch

other8026 overall, only a small number of apps are not working on GrapheneOS because of Play Integrity and more may follow, but it's hardly the end of the OS, so please don't act like it is.

As the project account has said, what Google is doing is illegal and the project is talking regulators in the EU. Here's a quote:

This is the Gordian knot that needs to be cut. But the mills of bureaucracy grind slowly, very slowly... so we have to wait and see what will be faster in the end: The bureaucracy or the app makers who will go for Play Integrity.
It certainly won't be or become the end of the project, but the critical mass of apps will contribute significantly to the future.
Sorry, that's not a black painting, but unfortunately you can't sugarcoat it either.

other8026

AlphaElwedritsch Sorry, that's not a black painting, but unfortunately you can't sugarcoat it either.

Sure. I was more responding to the "fad[ing] away" part of their comment. Not trying to sugarcoat anything. It's a problem, but not that bad.

DeletedUser370

No one's sugarcoating anything. Quite the opposite; it appears to me that many members in this community are determined to stay pessimistic, posting bleak predictions about the future of GrapheneOS across several threads – some even in threads they clearly haven't read and understood – simply to express their feelings of determined hopelesness. I've avoided interactions in these threads because I foresee responses akin to "suck it up, dude", "just give up", and "you're naïve for even thinking this is possible". If someone had given me such responses face-to-face in a discussion about the Play Integrity API, I would likely have burst out laughing at the absurdly frank and negative response. Here, I just close the thread because I feel sure there's more coming, and I'd rather engage with something constructive.

spl4tt

Justvan update here, I'm still pingpongingbwith revolut support. I think it's literally just AI I'm writing with. This company support is horrible.

I just want them to cancel my sub, I can't even do that anymore without logging in

cdflasdkesalkjfkdfkjsdajfd

Jirafa I have tried 10.52.1 on a fresh install and it's not working (update to the last version message is displayed just after set the account phone number)

pirron4

other8026 overall, only a small number of apps are not working on GrapheneOS because of Play Integrity and more may follow, but it's hardly the end of the OS, so please don't act like it is.

As long as you have at least one of the "small numbers" that is a deal breaker, then that is a deal breaker. I am not dramatic or sensationalizing the topic. I assume it's on the minds of most if not all users. I might be wrong of course.

When I ask what keeps you going is to get the perspective of the developers. Clearly they know something that many of their users don't, which keeps them more optimistic.

It's a simple question. No intention of painting anything. Whatever the answer is, is for anyone to decide what that means to them.

cdflasdkesalkjfkdfkjsdajfd

pirron4 I have received an official answer from Revolut to my official complaint and the answer is, basically: "No, GrapheneOS is not supported and no plans to support it into the future".
The app is working fine (including the login process) in crDroid, that includes a workaround that resolves it (at least until May). It doesn't seem logical that the GrapheneOS developers don't include it.

de0u

pirron4 As long as you have at least one of the "small numbers" that is a deal breaker, then that is a deal breaker. I am not dramatic or sensationalizing the topic. I assume it's on the minds of most if not all users. I might be wrong of course.

My device has zero apps installed from the Play store and does not have Play installed.

pirron4 When I ask what keeps you going is to get the perspective of the developers. Clearly they know something that many of their users don't, which keeps them more optimistic.

Perhaps they are aware that some substantial fraction of the user base doesn't use Play? I don't know how many fellow abstainers there are, so I'm just speculating. But I think "most if not all" is speculation too. Not everybody wants to bank on a phone! Perhaps some banks have usable web apps!

AlphaElwedritsch

pirron4 As long as you have at least one of the "small numbers" that is a deal breaker, then that is a deal breaker. I am not dramatic or sensationalizing the topic. I assume it's on the minds of most if not all users. I might be wrong of course.

That is precisely the crux of the matter.
You only need a single app that you are dependent on. Be it a bank, insurance company or government app. It doesn't matter, just a single one that doesn't work.
And then the whole GOS is gone. Or any other (security) custom ROM. No matter which one.
GOS can't do anything about it either. The problem lies at the core.
Then you just have to switch to stock. No matter what the cost.
All the clever slogans won't help. From the moralizers or messiahs. This is also not doom and gloom or predicting the end of GOS. That is far from me.
But it's just a fact

cdflasdkesalkjfkdfkjsdajfd

de0u the near future of banking apps, at least all I use, is to move to apps instead of webapps. Using bank apps you can confirm operations using the app instead of a SMS code, that is less secure.

cdflasdkesalkjfkdfkjsdajfd

AlphaElwedritsch GOS can't do anything about it either.

GOS devels has the ability to remove these limitations, at least temporally, but it seems has decided to do not do anything, either optionally.

de0u

AlphaElwedritsch You only need a single app that you are dependent on. Be it a bank, insurance company or government app. It doesn't matter, just a single one that doesn't work.
And then the whole GOS is gone. Or any other (security) custom ROM. No matter which one.
GOS can't do anything about it either. The problem lies at the core.
Then you just have to switch to stock. No matter what the cost.

Or carry a second device, which is something some users already do. We know this because of posts from users about carrying around a mobile hotspot plus a GrapheneOS phone.

Obviously that would be a major inconvenience, and it is possible that many current GrapheneOS users might switch back to the stock OS. But each of those users would be choosing to do that instead of carrying a second device.

AlphaElwedritsch

cdflasdkesalkjfkdfkjsdajfd GOS devels has the ability to remove these limitations,

Have they?
Source of this statement?

de0u

cdflasdkesalkjfkdfkjsdajfd GOS devels has the ability to remove these limitations, at least temporally, but it seems has decided to do not do anything, either optionally.

I believe the GrapheneOS official account has publicly stated multiple times that they are in discussion with at least one regulatory agency. Personally I would not describe that as "decided to do not do anything".

zzz

cdflasdkesalkjfkdfkjsdajfd GOS devels has the ability to remove these limitations, at least temporally, but it seems has decided to do not do anything

Not quite true:

We're going to be adding a toggle for blocking the Play Integrity API in a way that acts as if the service is currently down. We've found that many apps do not correctly use it and still allow using the app if it's unavailable because their service only has soft enforcement of the Play Integrity API. It's possible this will be enough to get Revolut working but we don't know at this point. They're going out of the way to try banning using alternate OSes and can upgrade that over time.

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/113737931425144006

Note that it will be a game of cat and mouse though. Every step an alternate OS takes to work around it, will create an incentive for big G and app devs to step up restrictions.

Its a game that they would eventually win, if they were motivated enough to do so.

A legal solution would be the only long-term one.

cdflasdkesalkjfkdfkjsdajfd

AlphaElwedritsch Revolut login is working on crDroid independently of the app version.
I'm not ROM developer but pretty sure the code used by crDroid can be used at GOS or any other Android based ROM

N1b

cdflasdkesalkjfkdfkjsdajfd Revolut login is working on crDroid independently of the app version.
I'm not ROM developer but pretty sure the code used by crDroid can be used at GOS or any other Android based ROM

These "solutions" usually mean rooting your phone or spoofing IDs. Both don't make sense as a sustainable approach. Security concerns aside, there are enough ways to figure out the true OS and block it anyways.

GOS, being focused on security, privacy and sustainability, won't likely put effort into such strategies. This is what I like about them: No bullshit and theater, only proven and reliable features.

This one is entirely on Google for their market consolidation strategies and Revolut for their laziness. Both try to hide it as security concerns, and both are easily refuted.

I'm not speaking for GOS, only from my simple user perspective.

cdflasdkesalkjfkdfkjsdajfd

de0u I'm not sure what benefits there might be in carrying two devices, one with stock software and Google services and the other with GrapheneOS, at least in terms of privacy, since with the first one you are exposing your privacy to Google and probably to others, even if you use GrapheneOS on the other device.

cdflasdkesalkjfkdfkjsdajfd

N1b the crDroid alternative is working without root and, if you want a "philosophical" answer: Nothing in life is forever ;)

Ranakan

Great Revolut doesn't even allow their app to work on Bluestack nor NoxPlayer...
There is no really alternative for now but spreading the message how outrageous this is.
I gave a negative review on Google Play, talked to them directly in the app : same result as always...

What solutions do we have ? A petition ? organise a demonstration ? or just wait for God to actually change devs' mind and remove this stupid Play Integrity API ?

DeletedUser370

cdflasdkesalkjfkdfkjsdajfd Nothing in life is forever ;)

Perhaps, but in this case it's clear that the workaround you are suggesting will only work within a very limited timeframe. Personally I don't see the point of trying to work around a block just to have the workaround stop functioning next month.

Personally, I'm hopeful that a legislative ban of this monopolistic system will be implemented in the end. At least in the EU, its history shows that they do not tend to shy away from regulating monopolistic business behaviour.

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