It's there a guide for activating eSim after installing GOS? I'm stuck.

I have gp sandbox installed, so the Fi app runs fine. Everything I want works pretty well, and now I'm ready to activate the 6a instead of my current 3a. But Fi app running on 6a complains that it can't activate.

Obviously Fi support is not going to be helpful... Where can I look for help?

    Snowmonk perform the following sanity checks for me please:

    • Ensure that all 3 Sandboxed Play Services apps are installed: GSF, Play Services and Play Store by simply selecting the Play Store listing in the 'Apps' app in the app drawer and tapping install which takes care of the install of all 3 in the right order.

    • Install Fi after the above (meaning uninstall and reinstall it if done out of this order).

    • Open Phone and dial *#*#4636#*#* and tapping Phone Info and enabling DSDS.

    • Going to SETTINGS>NETWORK & INTERNET and selecting Enable privileged eSIM management.

    Then try to activate eSIM in Fi.

    https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play-esim

    7 days later

    Whatnoww As a follow-up to this, I tried using PGPP. Two things:

    1. It doesn't allow you to use a VPN as I mentioned. This is actually stated on their website. In emailing directly with one of the creators, he is of the belief that the relay system they use is actually better than using a VPN because the information is not aggregated in a single place.

    2. PGPP may provide an additional layer of privacy for a typical phone user, but it has some compatibility issues with GrapheneOS. Namely, use of multiple profiles (which is one of the best benefits of GrapheneOS). Because PGPP's "Relay" occupies the VPN tunnel on Android, it needs to be in each profile separately to work. But the app itself is not tied to any particular account, so from what I can tell you would need to install and pay for a separate subscription for each GrapheneOS profile.

    3. In looking at PGPP's privacy policy, it's not great. It basically reads like a privacy policy from every major tech company there is. That is, it states they have a strong commitment to privacy and only collect the information they deem "necessary", but then they use broad statements to justify what "necessary" means. From what I can tell, they collect just as much information as any other carrier or tech company, and you'd have to take them at their word for what they do with it.

    Best bet is probably to just try the Librem aweSIM and then use a VPN instead. It likely gives you the same level of privacy at a fundamental level but with a more transparent and reputable name.

      rsm thankyou for this insightful and informative post. This type of assistance and commitment from users is what a great and helpful community is built on!

      I to have been trying to go "completely off grid". While I do nothing illegal nor have any intention to do so, I've taken the challenge to try and get Big Tech (and Big Bro) sealed out as much as possible.

      Reality is that the best I have found is to pick a carrier that requires a government warrant to track my information.
      Compare this to Google, Facebook, Amazon, Apple that are selling every speck of data they can on each of us both to the government, from Federal to Local, as well as advertisers. They will all provide VERY DETAILED location and DNS information on you to authorities WITHOUT A WARRANT.

      While they claim "anonymous tracking", reality is an advertiser can tell where your phone spends the night, then look you up via public record, then literally map out your entire life (background checks) and behaviors. There are services that aggregate and present in easy to digest formats to anyone that wants to purchase the data.
      Note that all VPN's, if handed a government warrant, will provide information on you.
      So unless I'm missing something, best I can do is limit my behavioral information collection to my wireless carrier which still requires a warrant be issued in order to track me. For me that's good enough since that parking ticket in London from 20 years ago likely isn't going to draw Interpol, FBI and NSA effort to get a warrant. And keeps the Matrix from tracking me and selling me another Pixel 6. LOL

      I'm new to this privacy game. Set me straight if I'm off. Always up to learn.

        Kenny33

        You are absolutely correct. I've spent some time in a previous role looking at detailed use cases using "anonymous" mobile ad id's. While "anonymous", it's as easy as a company such as Fog Reveal seeing where your MAID spends the night (home), spends the day (work), where it frequents (shops, associates with,...) then searches public records to find who lives at your address, pulling credit reports, background checks, FB/Social media linkages, traffic to your broadband IP, and voila' you have a complete behavioral profile.
        While the MAID's are technically bucketed into a minimum pool of 1000 for each demographic slicing (gender, age, income,etc), all you have to do is create a Venn Diagram and they now have a 92% probability of tracking Kenny33 or Aaron or whomever. Aggregating the FB/Twitter/IG data enables them to nail you exactly - check ins at taco tuesdays, crappacino at coffee shop,...

        Hardly anonymous and all completely legal.
        And to think there are creepy cops in the police station makes me shudder with 1984 flashbacks.

        Once we scrape Mobile Ad ID's off our phones, scrub tracking cookies, use VPN's we've gone a long way to blunting the intrusion of Big Tech and Big Bro.

        Regarding the IMEI of a Pixel / GrapheneOS device pairing with a carrier,

        Could you not just connect a pixel/graphene device to another non registered cellular device's Hotspot thus circumventing any need for a sim card / IMEI Marriage in the first place ?

          defidawg

          Great idea. It would disassociate your Graphene device from the wireless phone number. Over WiFi might not be a great user experience.

          You could always keep cycling burner SIMs on your Graphene, with a burner voip number. Wouldn't that give similar levels of Privacy?

          What's a good VoIP provider that respects privacy? Basically, I'd want my cell carrier to just forward SMS and calls to VoIP number, from which I would call. Data-only eSIM should work great for such cases.

            OpenSource-Ghost

            Mysudo is pretty good, but requires play services to get notifications of calls/texts

            If there are options that don’t require play services, I’d love to learn about them

            OpenSource-Ghost I have one profile setup with mysudo and had to setup Google Framework and play services but not the play store; with cross-profile communications it works as expected 60% of the time. The non-working times is due to prepaid Mint sim issues I believe. I never use the number supplied with the mint card, don't even know it. The Mysudo account is paid for with a privacy.com card and I pay for the option to conceal my purchases so the point of failure there is privacy.com and whatever device IDs I'm transmitting through my access points. On that vector I use my neighbors wifi a mile away via a Yagi antenna; to repeat what others have said, I have no desire or intention to do anything illegal I just don't think big brother should be able to sell all of my PII just because they can.

            If anyone has more advice on randomizing device MACs and other IDs I'm all ears.

              endth3fed

              I like your setup. Do you think the 40% non working is strictly due to mint?

              My understanding is that graphene is quite private over Wi-Fi due to the mac address randomization but any reason you don’t feel comfortable connecting to Wi-Fi?

              Perhaps you can try a solution like silent.link instead of mint although you’d need play services for Esim to work.

              I've removed a couple of VPN specific replies to keep this topic more on point to the subject. Previous VPN discussion was done around PGPP as the carrier and on topic.

              I buy an MVNO prepaid sim in person and pay for it via privacy.com with alias info. I ported my legacy phone number over to JMP.chat and take calls through the internet while never using my sim # for any calls or texts. I am switching to Tello soon for $6 a month with 1gb of data.

                panopticon

                Does the Jmp solution work well for heavy call users? I utilize around 2 hours on calls daily for work and thought their plan was limited to 300 per month.

                Also do texts work well on Jmp? I understood it needs some strange syntax added to the phone numbers to work.

                But I’d love to explore this solution if it’s workable.

                  Kenny33 I don't use calls very frequently. I have had some people complain about call quality in the beginning but there are many factors one of which is a lot of development so I am unsure if this is still the case. You can always buy more talk time if needed and the price seemed reasonable. I don't think it hard caps you at any time.
                  I have not had any issue with text. I use the Cheogram app which interfaces with JMP.chat through XMPP. You can set everything up right through the Cheogram app. Over all I am super happy with the setup it seems to be a good medium between mysudo and an actual VoIP provider with all the restrictions and over site they are subject to. Keep in mind I think they only offer service to US and Canada.

                    panopticon

                    That’s very useful, thanks. The call quality would be an issue for me given my heavy usage, but perhaps I’ll experiment with it in the future.

                    For now, it seems like prepaid cards for data + mysudo will have to suffice