Brave vs Vanadium

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TommyTran732 Brave's resistance is only enough to fool naive scripts - more sophisticated ones like https://fingerprint.com/ can fingerprint it as usual.

Just posting to adress this point in particular. I'm not sure this is a good example of the limitations of Brave's fingerprinting resistance. See the discussion here: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/20268. If I understood correctly, it seems that fingerprint.com's demo isn't actually very sophisticated and while it may look impressive, it is probably not very precise in practice. Or at least that was the case some time ago.

I'm not saying Brave's anti-fingerprinting is flawless either.

Blastoidea

The major problem facing an unsophisticated user, such as I, is our inability to distinguish BS from “real” information.

We therefore have to rely on the folks who have deep and firsthand knowledge of the project, and regard all others with suspicion.

Sindaquil

Blastoidea a few people not from the GOS project have said here that you should use chrome to blend in, but given the feedback I understand that they have deleted their accounts. it's too bad. there are not many ways to make something understood. if you want to gain privacy, it's simple: it depends on what you do with it. you can have a very private life on chrome.

Graph_Curious

Good discussion here ...

to use a PWA I can't use incognito mode, or it forgets log in/2fa, etc...

But PWA is still a webpage, utilizing all the web tracking tools (ie. Tracking pixels, etc). That don't get cleared on exit

So any other site visited in the same browser can following those pixels tracking my usage/tastes outside the PWA

So it seems I'd need a dedicated browser only for PWA apps .. OK, that's fine. But if Brave is able to lock down further than Vanadium it sounds better for quick non-followed searches, and Vanadium is the default browser for opening links, its extra security is needed there, but in incognito mode...

So I need to install a third browser just for PWA (and the increase in attack surface that comes with that) ... I'm looking for a better option.

If there a way to have multiple installs of Brave (with different settings, not sharing cookies, tracking pixels, etc..). On a single profile?

Currently I have to use a second profile to accomplish this

matchboxbananasynergy

Graph_Curious Android 14 will likely introduce cloning apps so you'll be able to have 2 separate instances of the same app.

Graph_Curious

matchboxbananasynergy

Interesting, I'll have to keep an eye out for this .. .

When I think of cloning, they would still share states though? . . . ie: shared cache/storage/install parameters .. so a tracking pixel set on one, would be inherited to the other

Guess we won't know until it's released and we can test the implimentation.

matchboxbananasynergy

Graph_Curious No. To my understanding, they'll be distinct. For example, you'll be able to log into one account on one instance of the app, and to another account on the other instance of the app. It doesn't just apply to browser apps, but all apps.

Blastoidea

matchboxbananasynergy
Wow!

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GrapheneOS Hi, we had this discussion last night on twitter and indeed it is a complicated subject. But on GrapheneOS, the best solution to navigate while being blended in the biggest mass would be to use Google chrome? Would using it on GrapheneOS make it unique or is it better to stay on vanadium? What is the best solution to be invisible? (A bit to close the topic once and for all)

Blastoidea

I think anyone who thinks that they can truly “be invisible” is chasing fairies in the moonlight, but that’s just my opinion.

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Blastoidea The one that best blends in

OpenSource-Ghost

Just FYI, Bromite is still being developed by a different person unofficially and includes more ad-blocking + more anti-fingerprinting + more fixes - https://github.com/uazo/bromite-buildtools .

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OpenSource-Ghost Yes, but we can't count on the digital fingerprinting of a completely modified chomium browser... That's either chomium or vanadium in my question. Plus brave includes a von and crypto stuff so not good

OpenSource-Ghost

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Brave is the most modified because of all the crypto revenue stuff. Bromite is basically hardened and tweaked Ungoogled Chromium + ad-blocking + anti-fingerprinting. I'd stick with Vanadium if security is more important to you than anti-fingerprinting features and anti-ad features. Otherwise I'd use Uazo's builds of Bromite. I don't like Brave.

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And brave is not in version 112 at the moment

Themble

Does anyone know whether it is possible to install Vanadium on a non-GrapheneOS system? Or is there a decent fork of it?

brookie229

Themble
Not possible yet but apparently GOS have plans to do so eventually.

trilogy6202

OpenSource-Ghost
I don't like Brave all that much either but it has in my mind at least one killer feature that Vanadium hasn't. The option to delete all content (history, cookies, etc.) when you close the app.

I really wish Vanadium had that feature.

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I don't even know why bromite is mentioned, it is only in version 108! This is a joke

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Some users are on the "unofficial" versions of one of the developers ( https://github.com/uazo/bromite-buildtools/releases ), who is still working on it and are up to date.

(Just to clarify, this is not my recommendation)

Themble

They have been lagging behind since last December.

Blastoidea

I was using it, but upon reflection, and reading posts here, I dumped it and went back to Vanadium.

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