Onlyfun And then it will probably take the GOS team some time to figure out added flaws in the P10pro design :/

Onlyfun The regular Pixel 10 may have a telephoto camera like the pro phones. Idk why you want the pro but if its the camera you might like the Pixel 10 better because it has the zoom cam, plus its a lot smaller than the pros.

It will also be allegedly quite a bit more powerful than the pixel 9 and the build quality will be a lot better than the Pixel 8 series.

    trashaccount thank you for the info anyway it's good to know. the pro versions are planned as gifts for people who prefer large devices. camera's benefits are not important.

    for myself even p5 screen was enough and it is crucial to have a one hand usable device, it really bothers me if i need to occupy both hands where it is totally avoidable.

    i think i'll just go for p8 and p8pro.

    i appeciate everybody's responses!

    trashaccount hold on, can you share a source of your last statement? about the better build quality?

    p8's quality is a torture for me, 3rd p8 and it is already failng the touchscreen test. it is light years behind my s20 quality wise.

      now this is interesting, even though I mentioned that financial part is not a criteria in this case, i could not ignore that pixel 8 pro has same price as pixel 9 pro and pixel 9 pro xl, that makes it nonsense to buy pixel 8 pro (other than someone wanting the particular screen size of p8pro which is 6.7" unique in this case with p9pro 6.3 and p9proxl 6.8), doesn't it?

      Or is there some substantial benefit in p8pro compared to p9pro and p9proxl?

        Onlyfun

        Onlyfun Pixel 8 and 8 pro are very affordable in Europe.

        The pixel 9 and 9 pro are close to twice the price and the next series will be probably even more expensive.

        If you are not a high valuable target, you'll be fine without the modem hardware security enhancement from pixel 9 series.

        Just buy yourself a pixel 8.

          Onlyfun Yeah you can observe the 9s build compared to the 8 and its a lot better.
          Im confident they will just improve the pixel 9s build on the 10.

          Onlyfun no i'm talking about new phones that you can buy in official shops. I don't buy from google cause they rarely make good offer.

          In my country, pixel 8 pro are around 500€ and pixel 8 around 450€ and all pixels are always OEM unlocked.

          The P10 will have an SoC from TSMC instead of Samsung. It should be much more efficient than any previous pixel.

          The modems in the 9 series are a huge advantage over the Pixels between the 6-8 generation. They are really bad but I've personally used the 9 pro and its phenomenonal. I could only imagine the ten improving on that. The 9a will have the old generation modems so just look out for that.

          Onlyfun

          Can you be a bit more specific than “feels unreliable”?

          What do you see as unreliable?

            Blastoidea sure bud, I purchased my first p8 right of it's release date. in 3-4 months of regular use, it had a shallow diving incident, bathtube with clean water(no soap) for few seconds a usual average drop in water, not from any critical height so it would've been impacted mechanichaly, it simply slided down the tub's side wall in to the bath itself. I took it out immediately shutdown and put under a warm blow dryer evenly spreading the air flow one side to another. It never turned on after that. I did not go for warranty claim since despite google selling it as an ip68 protected device, they right there state that pixel 8 with water damage is not covered by warranty. as opposed my s20 serves me for 5 years, now. and first 2.5 i was abusing it's ip68 rate left to right, such as if i weared my pants or workout shorts my s20 was hooked on that waist. Abuse included 4 times a week workouts with extreme sweating all over that s20, couple times a month atlantic swimming right after those sweaty workouts. The first ever water related issue it gave me is once in was submerged it lost any radio connection such as cellular and bluetooth(I as well always had my Jabra 75T-Active also ip68 rated btw, and which also successfully survived all those sweting-water-swimming-diving adventures apllied to my s20 and only gave up when I dropped and left them on the street for all night under a semi-storm(florida) guess what I went back to that spot in the morning, found my jabras in a 5 inch deep puddle and they still half-worked, watch for next one: Jabra had voluntarily extended warranty for that model and i took approach. After couple days back-n-forth calling they approved my claim only required me to ship the bad ones back and sent a pair of new 75T-Active Jabras (even offered me different newely released colors that were not available when i purchsed them initially, without the case since i kept my old one). The s20 once got knocked down by a full hot shower session. It shutdown itself then refused to turn on, i gave it strong blow dryer session where its back glass got unglued and flipped to a side while it was screen-down. I used that incident to get a little deeper and detected a couple water drops right there on the logic board next to the camera modules, I precisely blow dried that wet spot checked again no more wet detected, closed the back glass back in it's place the adhesive was still fine and it set back in as supposed and set it aside. in couple hours tried to turn it on and succeded it turned back on and ever since is still on duty right here in front of me right now.

            sorry for a long read, but that is my experience with ip68 devices compare to p8 ip68rate as opposed.
            Ok done with the ip68 rate of pixel 8.

            i purchased a new p8 again, this one lived feb - end of july. Suddenly after next autoreboot it got stock on google logo, I only was able to shut it back down. Then it refused to turn back on, unless I plugged the charger in, and even with charger plugged it only booted to the google logo, I think not even showed Graphene OS logo. So i put it aside as not working. And in next few days while it was sitting on my desk, i noticed that there was space between the screen and phone's body, it looked like the screen was being pushed out of the phone, I tried to turn on same result only plugged and only to google logo. Put it aside again, and since then the screen was getting pressed out. Later I figured it was the battery bloating that pushed the screen out. Finally the screen is now only attached to the phone's body by the cable so if i take the phone screen hangs on that cable.

            My absolutely disgusting warranty experience with this p8 bloated battery is out of scope of your questions i guess.

            so now I am on my 3rd p8 bought from amazon, renewed I think. so far the newely released device diagnostic is failing the touchscreen test and i an issue with keeping correct time(clock is often late after phone battery dies, many times I wake up with phone dead due to battery turn it back on and time is hours late, I actually had real life problems caused by this) GrapheneOS expessed opinion that it is a unit specific hardware failure, I have no will to dig into this as I am fucking sick of these pixel 8s issues.

            I hope you'll find my detailed response helpfull and in case any of your concerns were not covered by it feel free to ask.

              Onlyfun No problem! I'm glad I could help.
              Perhaps the Pixel 10a will be a smaller phone, but that will be a waiting game, it'll take at least another year, and there is no certainty.