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I do not doubt that the OS has all the needed audio capabilities.

But:

  • I never heard distortion with the builtin DAC of a 4a
  • plug-and-play just works soo much better, on Laptops and phones, than with a usb-c data dongle
  • I need to keep data enabled, which I would otherwise block entirely
  • For security reasons that means I need to unlock my phone, then plug the dongle in
  • the Google Pixel DAC is unavailable in any german electronics store and afaik also in the online store. Which is hillarious
  • the apple DAC works fine, but reduces the max volume on non-Apple devices, "for safety". This is a problem with bigger headphones
  • I use the usb-c port way more, especially when travelling, meaning way more wear and potential need to replace, which is costy when not doing it yourself, and takes long shipping times when doing yourself

There simply is no reason, if you dont need very HQ audio (again which I never heard a difference even with very nice headphones) to remove a simple, unhackable analog AUX port and replace it with an overcomplicated USB-C port.

You can't change the Pixel hardware and that is okay. I donate to your project and comment under videos like Techlores how absurd their "GrapheneOS ignorance" is.

But Google went a few stupid directions with their phones (aux removal, glass back, too large, worse fprint sensor), which is not anything you need to defend.

      Phead

      I agree a lot, the 5a was the last one with that. It didnt require pressing the power button (or keeping touch always enabled), worked way faster had less false negatives, thus allowed to register more fingers in practice.

      @GrapheneOS do you know if the newer sensors since the 6 had any security benefit, i.e. less false positives? I think to have heard that the new sensors in the 9 (?) have security benefits

        Has there been an announcement on when GOS with Android 15 will release?
        Private space could potentially remove my need for profiles :)

        Thanks

          epileptic055 Has there been an announcement on when GOS with Android 15 will release?

          GrapheneOS based on Android 15 will be released shortly after Android 15 has been officially released to Google Pixel phones. The porting work is already done, but the GrapheneOS team has said they won't make a release based on a beta.

          The last rumors I heard was that Google will release it for Pixels on 15th October. But I do not know if this has been confirmed officially.

              GrapheneOS

              I forgot about face unlock, I only mean fingerprint. It is way faster on my 4a than on my 6a, where I need to register every finger twice, and also had occasions where after some time I needed to re-register (which for whatever reason requires all apps like KeepassDX to re-setup).

              I was only asking if the switch from back to under-screen had any security benefit, i.e. less false positives. As UX wise it was just such a degradation, really sad.

                TrustExecutor Do you mean it will be possible to run sandboxed Play inside a private space, confined along with apps that need Play services, as a more convenient option than different profiles for users with lower threat models?

                Could someone confirm this is the case? @GrapheneOS?

                This would be an excellent thing. It would make the proposed app communication/visibility scopes for non-system components feature a bit less pressing. I've been hoping for it to become a high-priority feature since always!

                  Will notification cooldown make it to GOS? Either with stable release or QPR1 later on?

                  ryrona using a regular headphone jack would have meant less or no DRM protection for the music u listen to. Music is more easily copied when it's analog already.. that's my guess

                      nullable Nah, the USB-C DAC is just a converter to an analog headphone jack, so that should be no different from the DAC being built into the device. And copying DRM protected music does not exactly sound very legal.

                          ryrona we got too used to being told we don't own the $hit we bought. DRMing CDs and DVDs was the start. Then we let big tech get away with fraud. Consumers, lawmakers, the FTC, the police, etc think it's OK that you click "buy" on a kindle ebook you're actually renting. And that's how we ended up owning nothing and some of us actually being happy about it.

                              Hb1hf Consumers, lawmakers, the FTC, the police, etc think it's OK that you click "buy" on a kindle ebook you're actually renting. And that's how we ended up owning nothing and some of us actually being happy about it.

                              I am not okay with that. That is why I only buy things that are DRM free. And use subscription services for what I don't want to buy anyway, just watch, read or listen to. And if what I want are not available by those means, I don't want it. There is a very clear benefit of not sending any of your money to companies selling DRM protected things. By not sending them money you hurt their business model. Malicious compliance with the laws they made if you want. If you buy DRM protected things and then illegally remove the DRM, you are actually still supporting their business model. At least that is how I see it.

                              But yeah, this discussion is political, so actually not suitable for this forum. All I wanted to say is that using a USB-C DAC doesn't change anything compared to using a built-in DAC.

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                                  ryrona But yeah, this discussion is political

                                  Political organizations take ownership to all topics.
                                  The people should not accept to leave any topic only to them.

                                  I prefer also to buy DRM free content, but it's not always well advertised. And my music tastes don't match the general music offers of the big companies.

                                  The user can't take it's own decisions when the OS and hardware restrict artificially the devices possibilities. This is where open source, open protocols are important to give the power back to the owner of the device.

                                      ryrona the DAC is not part of that usb-c adapter. Were you talking about the usb-c to aux 3.5mm adapter? Digital Audio Converter is what you were talking about?

                                          Hat everything has DRM built into it with varying degrees of complexity.. Even things like old schoool radio and and TV imaging resolution and colors https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTSC

                                          i still copy music to and from my ipod with my ill gotten limewire music from 2000s era..Except now i copy the cds i buy after burning them to hard drive for personal consumption and preservation.. no more torrents or seeding...

                                              nullable the DAC is not part of that usb-c adapter. Were you talking about the usb-c to aux 3.5mm adapter? Digital Audio Converter is what you were talking about?

                                              What USB-C adapter? No specific one has been mentioned. Yes, I am talking about a USB-C to analog headphone adapter, like the ones Google and Apple are selling since they removed the built-in headphone jack.

                                              nullable Except now i copy the cds i buy after burning them to hard drive for personal consumption and preservation.

                                              CDs do not contain DRM, they are fine to copy like that, it is allowed. Some movies bought on DVD are also DRM free. If I ever buy a DVD and it turns out to be DRM protected, even if the DRM is trivial to remove, I return it and claim fraudulent advertisement since nothing in the description indicated it might be DRM protected. I have been refunded every single time without questions, even if package is broken. Same if I buy a single player video game online and it does not launch if I copy it to a computer without internet. I have been refunded for it.

                                              I think content creators should be free to restrict access to their content however they want, and I also think we consumers should be free not to buy their products if they do :) But that's just me.

                                                  I am sad to hear that Android 15 will provide screen-recording/casting detection for apps. That was a major benefit that I enjoyed that I could not utilize as fully via iOS. They say it is for security/privacy reasons, but I'm certain they want to tighten the grip with stronger DRM controls. Are there any actual security concerns centering around screen recording or casting from the user's standpoint? I wish there were a way to disable the feature so that apps cannot keep track or control how I use my phone, when I consciously do want to screen record an item. I would hope this monitoring would be absent from Graphene.

                                                  missing-root The fingerprint sensor is better than ever in the Pixel 9 with the ultrasonic reader, that is an out-of-date complaint.