Off Topic: Just a simple question from a new GOS user. New updates comes from OTA or we should update our OS manually using PC?
What features will be missing in GOS' Android 15 version?
Sirut The operating system regularly checks for the availability of a new update and downloads it autonomously and transparently, which is why the operating system also makes regular connection checks, so you don't need your PC to update manually.
The distribution channel is set to the stable channel by default, with the option of choosing the beta and alpha channels.
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This may provide some answers - https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/113113469049646060
matchboxbananasynergy Is Private Space an AOSP feature or a non-privilleged Play Services feature?
gwr We need the official stable release with the current patch level rather than what is currently released. We've already ported to Android 15 and are testing it but it's waiting on them to do a proper release.
DeletedUser88 It's an AOSP feature and has been supported in GrapheneOS development builds enabling the Android 15 feature flags for months already. We already added Private Space integration for our sandboxed Google Play compatibility layer, Contact Scopes and Storage Scopes before the official Android 15 source code release this month.
GrapheneOS Excited, can't wait to see Android 15 on GOS!
GrapheneOS Thank you for your hard work.
GrapheneOS Awesome! Do you mean it will be possible to run sandboxed Play inside a private space, confined along with apps that need Play services, as a more convenient option than different profiles for users with lower threat models? Will there be a possibility to run a separate userspace VPN? Is it possible to have more than one private space?
GrapheneOS Will I be able to set a separate VPN in the private space just like a normal profile? I read from the official documentation that the Private Space bypasses any VPN that is set on the Owner profile.
TrustExecutor the big questions
TrustExecutor Can you please link to those docs?
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I really would like to see secure face unlock, a convenience feature introduced already with P8. Unfortunately it hasn't found its way to GrapheneOS although there were some vague promises to look into. The Hardware to make it secure is there, but the software is missing on GOS. Later on this year it was stated that secure face unlock is interfering with 2FA unlock implementation although these are totally different topics. I don't want to be to negative, I like GOS, but this was a very disappointing decision by GOS Team since my wife uses this feature on her P8 with stock Android and loves this feature. She always is laughing that I am not able to use it.
Probably, secure face unlock isn't open source and must invented and written completely new and probably that's timewise and technically (know how) not possible, an I right?
androidin Later on this year it was stated that secure face unlock is interfering with 2FA unlock implementation although these are totally different topics.
The issue isn't about whether face-unlock hardware and fingerprint-unlock hardware are the same (they're not), or whether a user's face is the same as a user's finger (they're not). The issue is whether or not the code for face unlock and the code for PIN/passphrase unlock and the code for fingerprint unlock are interrelated, and my understanding is that the Android unlock code in general is a complicated interwoven carnival.
androidin Probably, secure face unlock isn't open source and must invented and written completely new and probably that's timewise and technically (know how) not possible, an I right?
I think the things that would be necessary are something like:
- high-resolution IR face camera (clearly some Pixel devices have this)
- face-recognition software core (online I read that this is closed-source and proprietary, though in theory an open-source alternative could be found or written)
- integrating face-recognition software with the IR face camera ("a simple matter of programming")
- sufficient testing (presumably including twins!) to believe it's reasonably secure
I suspect if this were easy then some Android variants would already be doing it, especially ones with large user communities. Is this feature available on LineageOS, DivestOS, crDroid, etc.? If it's available on all of them except GrapheneOS, maybe it's easy-ish? If it's available on none of them maybe it isn't easy.
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de0u I think the things that would be necessary are something like:
- high-resolution IR face camera (clearly some Pixel devices have this)
- face-recognition software core (online I read that this is closed-source and proprietary, though in theory an open-source alternative could be found or written)
- integrating face-recognition software with the IR face camera ("a simple matter of programming")
- sufficient testing (presumably including twins!) to believe it's reasonably secure
well pixel has the hardware & i know some twins so in a certain sense we're already halfway there
DeletedUser88 Will I be able to set a separate VPN in the private space just like a normal profile?
On the stock PixelOS, the latest Android 15 Beta, the Settings app in Owner has a nice UI for switching between settings for the Owner profile and the Private Space profile. When you go to Settings > Network & internet > VPN, the VPN apps are marked with icons to differentiate between the VPN slots for Owner and Private Space profiles. I expect this to be the case for AOSP as well.
I think that Private Space is very nicely done – UI-wise it's easy to quickly differentiate between apps, settings and notifications in Owner and Private Space. You can run two instances of the same app side-by-side and quickly note which one you're currently using by activating the app switcher. I took some screenshots to better explain this but I think seeing it for yourself when GrapheneOS based on AOSP15 is released will explain it better.
Please note that I have only tested this on PixelOS.
fid02 Very good news! Is this feature limited to one Private Space per profile?