GrapheneOS leadership

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Hi,
I think GrapheneOS team should shed light on How the GrapheneOS project is managed, who are the developers and who control/run the project. @muhomorr seems to be the lead dev by looking at his Github contributions.

newbie24689

[deleted] I very much hope that the developers are NOT identified; some of the terrible things foisted upon publicly-identified Daniel are why.

[deleted]

I disagree.

[deleted]

[deleted] Btw You can quote specific text in the post to add context, unless you are replying to the whole post

[deleted]

[deleted] No context needed to be added.

N1b

I understand the initial idea of putting a spotlight on project leaders, as it shows confidence and responsibility. It makes the product more liable in case something goes wrong, which is why I'd like to see some faces behind crowdfunding or charity projects.

In this particular case I disagree though. GOS is open source and all the credibility is purely based on the source code and the project's history. The devs have earned our trust by standing to their principles, they have been quick, reliable and most important consistent with their no compromise philosophy. If at any point the code was compromised or the development goals change, we'd find out about this very quickly, as many eyes are watching the code. Last but not least there are some people and institutions out there that would like for GOS to break apart, and we shouldn't put a target on the leader's back for them...

Chalko

N1b If at any point the code was compromised or the development goals change, we'd find out about this very quickly, as many eyes are watching the code

I’m more concerned on the devs ability to keep the project ahead of threats and keep GOS secure.
Not necessarily injecting malicious stuff.

Whether is 1000 or 10 anonymous developers watching over the code.

Micay has the reputation and proven knowledge. it’s someone I trust.

f13a-6c3a

If this project business objective is to be treated as a "ROM", then I agree with those who opined that no, they should not disclose anything.
But if this project is, as it appears to be, wants to be treated seriously, as a secure OS - some transparency regarding business objectives, management plans, features plans a must. Not necessarily doxing names of the developers BUT some information must be disclosed.

I was donating monthly for a very long time but currently stopped because of uncertainty. Project recently got $100K from Proton (this was announced and pretty certain); project also, allegedly, got 1M grant from Jack's org (I have no proof of that) - where did the money go? PLEASE dont get me wrong, I'm not counting project's or anyone's money! I only mention money because if funds went into an organization which will be running this project then that organization should be mentioned and described somewhere on the project site.

N1b The devs have earned our trust by standing to their principles

Agree, but the question arises - were their principles upheld and directed by Daniel or an organizational body? With Daniel now gone, how can we be sure that those principles will not change direction? What if principles of those who are at the helm now different from Daniels?

N1b If at any point the code was compromised or the development goals change, we'd find out about this very quickly

I'm not so sure about this. Will we? There is always mention of "many reading the code" - I bet that if we polled the uses of the project, which are in 80K vicinity IIRC, there would be singe or maybe couple who read some commits, but NONE who read ALL project's code (no proof of that, just my speculation)

Anyway, this is a great project and I wish it continues and develops into long lasting operating system but in order to do that, some transparency is needed. There is got to be some information that is public - wasnt a non-profit formed? Some of that info probably is public now and could be disclosed on the site giving project additional credibility.

[deleted]

Since GOS is free, they are under no obligation to disclose their details to freebie junkies like us.

f13a-6c3a

[deleted] Since GOS is free, they are under no obligation to disclose their details to freebie junkies like us

Free? What's this page is about then?
https://grapheneos.org/donate

Free is only cheese in a mousetrap

The project is certainly not free, there are many freeloaders, but the project is not free.

Relaks

f13a-6c3a With Daniel now gone

You say gone, but he's still staying with the project as a developer, at least according to the recent email he sent out to all his Github sponsors.

de0u

f13a-6c3a I was donating monthly for a very long time but currently stopped because of uncertainty. Project recently got $100K from Proton (this was announced and pretty certain); project also, allegedly, got 1M grant from Jack's org (I have no proof of that) - where did the money go?

Thanks for having donated! Hopefully the project will continue delivering value to you and you will again be in a position to donate to it.

If people keep donating and Proton adds additional money, the project will have more resources than before and hopefully can do more. If people cut back, some of a donation from Proton would be eaten up by that cutback and won't be available to accelerate the project. And, unless Proton makes a recurring commitment, a reduction in recurring donations from users would be a big problem.

I expect as the new team organization settles in there will be reports from the foundation. But I can imagine it might be a few months still.

Please note that I don't speak for the GrapheneOS team.

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f13a-6c3a project also, allegedly, got 1M grant from Jack's org (I have no proof of that)

Allegedly on 12/27/2022 according to his own spreadsheet. Not a proof per se.

feature plans

https://grapheneos.org/faq#roadmap

data protection outline, infrastructure security

https://grapheneos.org/features#services
https://grapheneos.org/articles/grapheneos-servers

some organization structure, etc.

Hopefully, with time.

[deleted]

f13a-6c3a A donation is a donation. That's great. But it's not compulsory. The only cost to me is time to install and to study up.

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Relaks

I haven't received anything. Can you share?

Relaks

[deleted] I could, but seeing as this was an email sent out (seemingly) to a small group of people, I'm not sure Daniel would approve of it getting posted publicly. Haven't seen it distributed anywhere else. I'm sure the team will eventually share more information about the process of moving everything to a non-profit.

f13a-6c3a

[deleted] Sad you think that way and cant see that the project is NOT free. If it was free, they wouldn't ask for donations, would they? The fact that some cant, for whatever reasons, or choose not to support, does not make it free - someone else paid for them.

[deleted]

f13a-6c3a You have an opinion. Good for you. But it's yours only.

nrt

The project did not receive $100,000 from proton, received $10,000.

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nrt

Why?
Has the total amount not been divided equally among all participants?

88dotorg

nrt

If they split equal between the 10 organizations, then it should be $10K + all of the proceeds from this year fundraiser.

88dotorg

If your mind is thinking a donation is the same like paying for it, I never feel ashamed again for my misspelling English grammatical.

f13a-6c3a

Exact amounts of funding/donations are irrelevant. I only mentioned funding at all to demonstrate that a legal entity exists which received those funds and as such, as most reputable organizations, could disclose some aspects without jeopardizing its goals or individuals: feature plans, data protection outline, infrastructure security, some organization structure, etc.