[deleted] Daniel seems to think similarly if one doesn't want to defer to the advice of some blog.

It's still the opinions of one side. Just because someone chooses GrapheneOS, doesn't mean they must agree with Daniel on every security related opinion.
Right now there is a pissing match and extensive drama on this topic. This happens quite frequently with devs in this space. Frankly, the drama/accusations/insults/arrogance is the biggest reason I hesitated with GrapheneOS. But I am glad I ignored all that, because I do really enjoy the OS so far.

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      Graphite

      It's still the opinions of one side. Just because someone chooses GrapheneOS, doesn't mean they must agree with Daniel on every security related opinion.

      No, it doesn't. It does however seem that this particular OP would be served quite well to just defer to what the lead developer thinks, much like myself frankly. I'm not taking sides here.

      drama/accusations/insults/arrogance is the biggest reason I hesitated with GrapheneOS. But I am glad I ignored all that, because I do really enjoy the OS so far.

      My exact experience too.

        Thank you all for the answers.
        To be honest it has become more confusing, but that makes sense since everyone has their own opinion and preference.

        I have also read some things about a custom F-droid repo like IzzyOnDroid or Newpipe, what is your opinion about this? I too personally want to leave as little digital imprint as possible within this mass surveillance era.

        Maybe we can make a specific order and see if we can agree with each other. For instance:

        1. Source (github)
        2. Custom F-droid repo
        3. Main F-droid repo
        4. Aurora
        5. Sandboxed playstore

        @abcZ @[deleted] @Graphite @BluishHumility @Piwepil @Grkrz @SgtApple @robalob

          Prrprr2

          1. Sandboxed Play Store
          2. Aurora Store
          3. Source
          4. Custom F-Droid repo
          5. Main F-Droid repo

          You don't have privacy without security. That's why F-Droid is dead last.

            abcZ how can I find out myself how to built an app from the source?

                wivode Anyone can start learning to read code and begin some basic checks themselves. Naturally, your ability to do so will improve with experience.

                    Prrprr2 Start by installing "Android Studio" on some computer. Learn the basics of GIT. Download a repository, open with studio, hit the build button.

                      wivode ahh ok thanks! Why is that most people are opposed to Google playstore while you placed it on #1 & 2?

                          abcZ
                          I don't think that OP's threat model is that high. If it is then GrapheneOS can be built from source too and signed with his own keys.

                            Prrprr2 Because Sandboxed Play store requires an account. That's why a lot of people are against it. I personally have an anonymous Google account to use for Play Store and other things.

                              Prrprr2
                              A lot of people are tryhard fans of F-Droid too and they can't take any criticism against it. Same with F-Droid team. They treat all of the criticism like its an attack or something. As of now F-Droid is a threat to your security. No security = no privacy.

                                Prrprr2
                                To be honest we can put it like this. If you think that you or someone else know better than people at privacyguides.org and people of GrapheneOS project than you can use F-Droid. Both projects recommend AGAINST it. Its up to you.

                                  abcZ
                                  What is the point to “backdoors” or “trackers” on Google Play Services when 99,9% of people use some variation of Android where Google has privileged access to everything on the device via privileged Google Play Services? Meanwhile on GrapheneOS Google Play Services are sandboxed.

                                  Google Pixel devices have proprietary firmware which is made by Google maybe there are backdoors or trackers in that and it has their SoC AKA Tensor so maybe they have hardware backdoors in that too? There are NO LIMITS to being paranoid about something.

                                  All of the apps that someone install on GrapheneOS are STRICTLY sandboxed so they only can do what you let them to do.

                                    The Play Store provides many services used by apps including Play Asset Delivery, Play Feature Delivery, in-app purchases and license checks for paid apps. The Play Store app is also the most secure way to install and update apps from the Play Store.

                                    Source: https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play-installation

                                    You trust GrapheneOS by using it then might aswell trust them when they say that Play Store is the most secure way of installing apps. If you create anonymous/throaway account with VPN or Orbot then it can be private too.

                                    Anyone knows if there is an ignore function on this forum?
                                    I really wish to put @abcZ on ignore for most of his comments being condescending and ignorant.

                                    Obviously, my decision:

                                    abcZ has nothing to do with anything being a "personal" attack, and everything to do with actual logic.

                                        Hey guys, appreciate all the perspectives here. Everyone's entitled to their view. Direct insults against others only compromise the discussion, reflect poorly on the community, and ultimately can discredit the project. Let's keep it on topic and avoid personal attacks, even if we disagree. The freedom to disagree is a big reason why we're here wanting to use something like GOS.

                                          Albatross
                                          There is a difference between disagreement and spreading biased opinions/conspiracy theories of some kind. In ideal world everything in here should be technical.