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  • Is buying a Pixel 8 a wise move for privacy ?

To be honest I think I'm due an upgrade! I'm just asking the questions upfront to work out what makes the most sense for G.OS. By the sounds of it I'll probably shoot for the P8 as I think my original concerns that I had are N/A once you install G.OS. It sounds like it's more of an issue about compatibility and inconveniences, rather than privacy and security.

User2288 better hardware and warranty update support period.

Regarding the 7 years of updates, Is that Android specifically? i.e irrelevant if using G.OS?

    Lizard They were referring to the 'AI' approach that the company is taking being benefitted from hardware across Google, with the AI models from Google DeepMind - their subsidiary AI research lab - being ran on datacenters utilising their own Tensor processors. They didn't say anywhere that photos or videos would be submitted to them.

      cyberparty to be fair, I can see where lizard is coming from
      I too thought that alot of the AI features relied on the data centres.

      I also think that the "video boost" feature sends the videos to the data centre to be processed and then notifies you when it's done

        L8437 I missed out on that part, it seems in that case you would submit it to be processed in their data centers, but it would require you to choose the Video Boost feature yourself and wouldn't upload videos not recorded in that fashion.

        dln949 Settings -> Apps -> Special app access -> Special access to hardware accelerators for Google apps

        Lizard I'm just asking the questions upfront to work out what makes the most sense

        No problem mate, ask away.

        Lizard Regarding the 7 years of updates, Is that Android specifically?

        Yes these updates are available on the default pixel. GOS also ships all these updates to GOS as well as offering some limited extended security updates as well (not sure on this, maybe @matchboxbananasynergy can confirm?).

        The Pixel 8 and Pixel 8 Pro will be receiving 7 years of OS and security updates. That official support is critical to GrapheneOS support, as without OEM support, nobody can ship complete security patches.

        With this latest generation, Google is providing a phone that essentially gets the longest proper (read: full security patches, not incomplete or severely delayed) support for Android, rivaling that of the iPhone. I would go as far as to say that Google is outdoing Apple as well, because Apple does not commit to a date. They typically support devices for a long time, but there is never a guarantee like with Google here.

        All this to say, it is extremely important to consider what the OEM support looks like and how much longer it is on for. A device past its EOL date is no longer secure. GrapheneOS does provide extended support releases for a while, but this is purely a harm reduction method and people are meant to swiftly transition to a supported device ASAP, as nobody can provide full security updates after that point (anyone claiming to do so is misleading their users).

        Lizard I currently still have the pixel 3 that I bought back in 2013 I think. Still solid, but no security patches. Could I use this with G.OS?

        You officially shouldn't put any private data on it. Then it's unclear what the value would be of installing GrapheneOS.

        If not, would it make more sense to buy a cheaper older Pixel model (i.e 5/6/7) for this purpose?

        See https://endoflife.date/pixel

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        I've been thinking about this and honestly, apart from the seven years of support, which is great... I can't see any reasons to get this phone for GrapheneOS. The Pixel 7 is already quite perfect.

        This Pixel 8 is more than ever software dependent. Most of the things that make it special are software based and things you will likely not get on Graphene.

        There might be one other thing, and that's the Pixel 8's size. It's a smaller phone than the 7. But that's about it.

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          [deleted] I can't see any reasons to get this phone for GrapheneOS.

          The Pixel 8 has Arm Memory Tagging Extensions (MTE) which turns many memory safety exploit attempts into crashes instead of compromise with a high probability. It's a reason for at-risk people to get the 8.

          https://source.android.com/docs/security/test/memory-safety/arm-mte

          https://www.xda-developers.com/android-14-advanced-memory-protection/

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            Thanks for the MTE info !! Very, very nice security feature.
            Just watched a YT vid & I didn’t realize even when an iPhone is turned off your possibly broadcasting for those AirTags they have.
            Plan on getting rid of my XR for the Pixel 8, hopefully Pro. Would like the extra RAM since everything is sandboxed. The Tensor 3 is also an upgrade from the 7’s Tensor 2 from a year ago ( why they didn’t wait & put Tensor 3 in Pixel Tablet is beyond me, since only released 3 months ago ).
            Pixel 8 Pro Has 3 more cores and better graphics.
            The camera and video, especially in the Pro get a big boost. The Pixel 7 already did very, very well world wide in tests. Since iPhone 15 Pro & (?) came out Pixel 7 & Pro dropped some but Pixel 7 Pro still rated #7.
            Can’t imagine what Pixel 8 Pro camera will be rated at.
            https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/
            ( can change to a spreadsheet format )
            Just waiting for a good trade in deal. Passing on that BestBuy iPhone XR & free Pixel 2 WiFi watch one though ( don’t want that watch & don’t want hassle of selling it for $200 to offset price ).

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            [deleted] hardened_malloc, The default memory allocator for GrapheneOS, currently does not support MTE. However, hardened_malloc will still be more secure than the Scudo (AOSP) memory allocator despite Scudo having support for MTE.

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              Hi. Sorry, I’m new here. I want to install GrapheneOS. Is there an eta for support in pixel 8?

                Zkart No specific dates and it will be done when it's done. But based on previous years and whispers in the wind—probably less than a month.

                maximus87 Thank you. I just saw the link. It is very informative. But is there any evidence? I mean: "you location (constantly), and it uploads it even after you turn every option off and disable everything possible, collects it even when you dont have internet, and uploads later." is a dangerous claim.

                Well i assure you I am not making it up. What i've said here is me actually quoting a television news report having investigated an android phone. I cant recall if it was by nbc or abc, but one of the american news channels. This video is still available on youtube, though unfortunately even though i actually downloaded the video to keep a copy for a day like this, i cant find it right now, nor the link to give you.

                This was a video from i think 2014, where they tested with two phones while putting one in airplane mode and having no google account logged in, and another phone in normal mode with a google account. Neither phone had internet. They took both phones for a joy ride for a few hours. Once back they connected them to a sophisticated "man-in-the-middle" investigative router suitcase. The box basically deciphered the encrypted communication to google so they could see what the actual communication contained. They then saw that the phone in airplane mode had collected every bit of information about every wifi device it had encountered with exact time stamps and it uploaded that to google. This basically gives your entire travel path away with exact timing.

                Now this was done in 2014. Do you think google has gotten better at respecting your privacy today? Or the other way around?

                You decide for yourself. My conclusion is clear for me!

                If i find the video i'll come back and post it here.

                Also, even aside from this, the way the gps works on regular phones constantly gives away your location as well to a different google server. This has been addressed in gos and thats why gos uses its own gps call up server. I forget whar its called.