I've rebuilt my Fold a half dozen times since I bought it and installed GoS. Within days each time I start experiencing apps that close just from swiping away to any other app. Example, snagging a password from a manager and going back to browser. Anything like that.

Is this a limitation of the Fold itself, or just that there are quirks with GoS running on the hardware? There are times during the day where I get so pissed that I pull out my Pixel 6 Pro with GoS and it runs circles around the Fold, running the same exact suite of apps.

Anything I can do to troubleshoot these annoyances?

My system is taking up 330GB. I bet that's why I'm having issues, at least right now. I don't even know how that's possible.

    scrampker I haven't heard of anyone having issues like you're describing with the Pixel Fold. If it's an issue that persists after factory resets or flashing GrapheneOS again, then I wonder if there might be something wrong with the phone itself.

        other8026

        Could be a hardware issue, but I don't know why it would cause the system size to be 330GB.

          I decided to completely wipe, and actually re-install the OS from USB.. the last two times, I just did a factory reset. Perhaps something became legit corrupt with the OS in the last 9-10 months, and it was carrying forward despite resets.

            scrampker Could be a hardware issue... What is the total storage available in your Fold? Is it reporting more space used than you have available?

            /system is read-only, so can't really clean it up or reduce space, but @GrapheneOS may figure it out for ya!

            Maybe don't restore a backup after wipe.. I rely in backups myself so I know how painfully that is, I have lost USB sticks with backups too! I empathize... However the issue may me carried forward in backups so its worth a try!

            Also resettling network settings shouldn't delete your eSIM, I've done it before and my eSIM was OK afterwards!

              scrampker 330GB! That's crazy. My Pixel Fold's System reports using 14 Gb, so something somewhere is misconfigured.

                No, this information is wrong. System isn't the size of the OS. System is the size of data not included in the other categories. System includes user data that's not part of the other categories. The size of the reserved SSD space, OS and firmware are a fixed size included in the value which do not vary across devices and the rest is data stored by the OS in the data partition. The firmware/OS partitions cannot be larger on one person's device, it simply isn't how it works. People are misinterpreting what System storage space means.

                After a few days, and all apps re-installed (but not all configured yet,) I'm at 86GB system and 81GB apps. I realize that the phones are categorizing the storage weirdly, and it's not to blame GrapheneOS for this. I was merely pointing out how crazy high it was, for no apparent reason. Sorting apps by storage use proved fruitless. No idea what happened.

                That being said, I do have a 512GB model, and my phone is slow as dog crap again with my apps installed. It's very common to swipe from an app to my password vault, to find the vault app has restarted itself, select the username, and swipe right back to the previous app, for it to have restarted as well. Sometimes I get really lucky and I'm able to keep both apps active by swiping back and forth quickly multiple times, but that's about a 50/50 chance. Really not sure why.

                I have a 1-for-1 app load on my Pixel 6 Pro, also running GrapheneOS (of course,) and it leads me to believe that either the Pixel Fold just sucks in comparison, or there's some little niggle in the GoS implementation on the Fold. I'm honestly clueless and not attacking the Graphene team at all. Other than the slow performance, commonly warm hardware, and experiences listed above, I've always enjoyed this operating system on 4+ devices.

                I really doubt it's hardware. I just think the initial reports about the homegrown silicon are likely very true, and this just cannot compete with the Qualcomm in the Pixel 6 Pro. :Shrug:

                  scrampker The Pixel 7 Pro has the exact same SoC as the Pixel Fold, they both have the Tensor G2, and they both have 12GB of RAM. The Pixel 6 Pro also shares 12GB RAM with the other two above devices, and carries an original Tensor SoC, which is very similar to the Tensor G2. .

                  It only differs in that the mid cores were upgraded to a slightly more modern (but not completely modern) core by changing out the 2 Arm Cortex-A76 cores for Cortex-A78 cores. The rest of the chip remained the same.

                  Both chips were known for heating up quickly, and when I had my Pixel 7 Pro I ran it rooted with a locked bootloader and verified boot for months. I ran a kernel manager that allowed me to examine and adjust the governors and clock speeds on the different cores, but I couldn't override the thermal throttling. As soon as the prime cores (2X Cortex-X1) powered up to max, they only could hold that speed for less than 10 seconds before the whole chip, all three sets of cores throttled down! They were programmed with the default SchedPixel govenor, a custom one Google made, to almost never go up to their full speed however. They usually would boost up when system was under heavy load, like >70% for periods of <2-3 seconds then go back down to 500mhz to rest. Only when doing really heavy loads did they get going and that resulted in the whole chip throttling!

                  Really I'm not surprised that both your devices, having those SoC's, your having issues. However the issue with your apps closing so fast in the background is a new one to me... It sounds like in Developer Options, "Suspend execution for cached apps" may be enabled, but I'm not sure. Maybe try setting this to disabled?

                  I think you need to swipe your notification screen down twice, to get to quick settings and in the right bottom part it will show you how many apps are active in the background. My Pixel 8 Pro runs great at between 4 and 8 even at a time. No problems like you are reporting at all! My zRAM is mostly full but I always have around 2GB of RAM free, and yours should as well unless you have a lot of apps in the background and running! Check that place in the quick settings screen, and when you click on the number you get a screen where you cab stop those apps too.

                  Be glad you didn't geyvan 8GB model like a regular Pixel, I don't think those would deal with backgrounding apps well...

                      Tryptamine

                      I've not seen the concurrent app counter before, and still couldn't find it based on your double-swipe suggestion. Could be helpful. I'm not really trying to run that many at the same time. I am definitely a power user in the sense that I have Tasker, Resilio Sync, Nextcloud, and many other services that run in the background. That said, other devices don't seem to be hit as hard as the Fold, and yes the P6P got hit and slow almost as bad, but didn't seem to have as many issues with apps restarting.

                      I've played with that dev option and never noticed a difference in the past. I don't know what device default means, but I disabled it again just now to see the results.

                      It seems that when the Fold heats up, which is after fairly light use, it throttles like you say...and I think this may even impact the RAM or caching behavior somehow. When the phone is completely cool, I have a fairly pleasant experience. It's been so bad that I've contemplated building a new back for the phone case that's a heatsink.

                      I'm at 86GB system and 81GB apps, with 38GB files. 207 apps loaded. It's not like I'm trying to multitask or split screen or anything wild. No games, barely any media. It just feels like if the wind blows the wrong direction, this thing heats up and ruins my day. Especially if I even mention the phrase wireless charging to it.

                      Sure would love some non-Google hardware that can run this OS.

                          scrampker if you had a Pixel 8 Pro it would be a much smoother experience, I can tell you from the months I've had with mine!

                          Does it thermal throttle? Well yeah, all smartphone chips thermal throttle. Especially that beats they can the Snapdragon 8 G3! That one gives amazing performance for a but then it's a crazy swing down, almost to the Pixel 8's performance, then up, then down again from the graphs I've seen! The same graphs didn't have any G2 Tensor devices in then, but the Pixel 8 Pro took a while to start throttling, then it did so slowly and consistently, kind of like the iPhone chips just not with their level of performance.

                          Running my kernel manager, I've seen the G3 in the 8 Pro throttle down, but back up quickly. It starts to throttle at a lower temp than the G2 in the 7 Pro did, by almost 10 degrees! Probably to not get so hot, which was a complaint of the predecessor. But it pulls out of the throttling quickly too once it has a short break. Also the cores deliver better performance at low clock speeds.

                          Bear in mind, the Pixel 8 and the 8 Pro perform differently, with the 8 Pro being a much better performer! Same was true between the 6 & 7 regular and Pro models. (500 Geekbench points) I think its the larger chassis that is a heatsink for the chips, and then larger surface for radiating the heat. I have an OtterBox Defender for my phone when I'm out, and its a huge insulator, so I peel it off at home before doing more intensive stuff with the phone.

                          As to the running app button, if you pull the notification shade down twice to get to all the quick setting buttons, at the bottom there will either be a lock and message saying you are connected to a VPN, and if you click on it you go to VPN settings. If you are not on a VPN that same large oval at the bottom will pop up the list of running apps in the background! If on a VPN, then you will find a small circle with a number in it directly to the right if that large oval. Click on that.

                          Didn't think to add this before, make sure your in the owner profile! I always am.

                          I also think it is good practice to pair down the number of apps running in the background. At the end of the day, its still a phone!

                          You can also check for running apps in Developer Options. Right near the top there will be, right under OEM unlocking, Running Services. It will show the actually running processes, but click the three dots in the upper right and you get the second screen with "cached processes" and there you'll also see the true value for your remaining RAM!

                              Tryptamine oh now I see it. 7 apps running. Even though 4 of them are tasker related. I'll see if I can reduce somehow. It honestly seems like a very light load. The tasker stuff barely does anything. There might just be some hard limits the phone is hitting.