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I advise yandex mail. Russia being under embargo, requests to collect IP data and others will be refused

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    [deleted] Might as well find a way to use a mail from North Korea?

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    If that's the logic that we are using.

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    Next thing I know I will be switching my antivirus to Kaspersky, Signal to Telegram and FB to VK. Just kidding.

    4 days later

    I like Startmail because it is inexpensive for yearly membership ( they have regular 40% off sales). Encrypts for those who have the same, but also works for those u send who do not use the service. Alias emails, both burner and not.
    No logs.
    Only uses Imap and not pop to put all ur other services in one place.
    Can use the service as much anon or as little customized to what u want.
    And although I've never made contact, I've read they have good customer svce.

    Loved the idea of Proton, but just couldn't get out of my head that the creators are ex-CERN people.

    2 months later

    alejandroide
    Hi alejandroide,
    Posteo has no app and please be careful, if you think you can use their encrypted in-box.
    Then you have nevermore mobile access to your emails from a smartphone, because Posten has no app to read encrypted mails.
    I have used Posteo many years. The operator and his staff are really sympathetic and trustworthy, but unfortunately they have not developed their technology further, there is no end-to-end encryption and no app for it.
    That's why I switched to Tutanota in 2019 and am super satisfied.
    They now have ten million customers and the offer has been improved again.
    New customers got a 50% discount during the promotional period and, to be fair, paying existing customers got 12 months free when they switched to the new subscription.

      Awesome collection of answers around here! This will mostly be a summary with few additions of what you might be looking for.

      EMail provider names that are great to look into based on your needs and threat model: ProtonMail, Tutanota, Mailbox.org, Posteo, Disroot

      Mobile apps on GrapheneOS for managing mails: The (Open Source) app of the provider, FairEmail or K-9 Mail

      All of those could be perfect for you, but they differ a lot in features, pricing model and design. Also you have to trust that the company remains true to their privacy claims and also won't shut down on short notice like CTemplar did not long ago. And the more people in your environment use a specific mail provider, the easier it gets to have E2E encryption for mails you send to each other. I personally chose Tutanota because I get a well-designed mobile app with a dark mode, E2E encryption, support for custom domains, a lot of aliases and instant notification support even without Sandboxed Google Play Services (which ProtonMail sadly doesn't have). I'm on their old pricing tier though and their current one might be less attractive. They also don't support PGP which I need for one specific use case, which is what I have a free ProtonMail account for.

      There's not one correct answer and as long as you stick to some basic rules, any of the mentioned services can be just right for you. Last but not least: Emails will always be inherently less secure than good messengers like Signal, so only use them when absolutely necessary.

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      Eagle_Owl Posteo can be used from a smartphone, and you can even use pwa.

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        It should be added that only posteo filters spam, and it works very well.

          DeletedUser115

          Same here: I am using my Posteo account in FairEmail in connection with OpenKeyChain and it works without any problems. Don't need an extra Posteo app.

          I've now switched from Proton Mail to Tutanota, taking advantage of their new basic plan that allows for 3 custom domains. Proton's Mail Plus plan only allows for one, and to add more you need to upgrade to the Unlimited plan, which for me is ridiculously more expensive when I only want their email service. But I've been pretty happy with their service otherwise.

          Except for their web client, which for me was always slow and therefore a pain to use. Tutanota's desktop client is so much smoother, weirdly so, although it remains to be seen if it will be able to handle it after I import my several thousand emails to it, ha!

          Note that Tutanota has fewer features than Proton Mail. This might not be acceptable to people who are used to scheduled send, more fine-grained inbox rules, etc.

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          Skiff.com. Totally encrypted. Free to use, comes with Calendar, Drive, Pages and of course Mail. Check it out.

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            I like skiff but unfortunately requires google play services if you want email notifications. Tutanota still wins in this regard on grapheneos.

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              When I used Posteo back then, there was no way to use end-to-end encryption with a smartphone.
              It was only possible in the browser - but Posteo is not responsive and it was terribly difficult to use in the browser.
              Not comfortable.
              Only comfortable on the desktop computer.

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              Ah, thanks for mentioning the spam filter - that was the main reason why I cancelled my Posteo mailbox!
              If you don't use fancy names as your main mail address, but firstname.lastname@posteo.tld, then you won't have any fun with Posteo!
              Because then you notice how bad the spam filter is!
              That's how it was back then until around 2020 or 2021 (I don't know exactly when I cancelled Posteo).

              If their spam filter works really well now, I'm glad.
              I find the people at Posteo likeable and have the feeling that they actually take their job seriously.

              But Tutanota is more technically advanced and doesn't use outdated PGP technology (without Perfect Forward Secrecy!).
              And the new tariffs are better, not worse.

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                No, they are not alone with spam filters.

                Tutanota has much better spam filter despite E2EE!

                applesbana I used Tutanota with and without Play Services. The Fdroid version consumes noticeably more battery than the Play Store version. I had to uninstall the app in order to stop insane amount of partial wakelocks.

                Eagle_Owl thanks for mentioning the spam filter - that was the main reason why I cancelled my Posteo mailbox!

                Eagle_Owl thanks for mentioning the spam filter - that was the main reason why I cancelled my Posteo mailbox!

                That and the fact they don't provide the user's mailbox with a spam folder. If you suspect that an email you're expecting has been stopped by their filter, you have to email their support to get them to check.

                Speaking of drawbacks of posteo, the lack of DMARC/ARC is one. On the plus side they have an option to encrypt your entire mailbox, separately from PGP auto-encryption for incoming emails.

                Mailbox.org looks like all round decent email provider in my experience.

                There is ProtonMail and Tutanota but they lack IMAP support (without bridge in ProtonMail case).

                Skiff looks interesting but I haven't used it yet.