hasunemiku2015 Maybe to balance their level of security, they have something very high on one side and nothingness on the other😂 me too I have a good laugh here it's cool.

Xtreix You can use whatever you like, but what's to stop you installing open-source software on Windows, MacOS or Chromeos?

    jufstp
    Missing the point. Maybe even a little disingenuous. Seems laughs are to be had all around here.

    jufstp what's to stop you installing open-source software on Windows, MacOS or Chromeos?

    Nobody. I've always Windows on Surface laptop. I just like to run my Opensuse session on my dekstop, work great, clean et easy to use, no telemetry and no bloat.

    Of course, the operating system is foss and i like it, even if I run closed-sources programs on it.

      Xtreix For me, open-source or close-source is the same thing in terms of privacy and security. An attacker doesn't look at licenses. And having used ubuntu, which is open-source, there is telemetry.

        jufstp I've never said that open-source is fundamentally better than closed-source when it comes to security and confidentiality, it's not the case.

        I misunderstand your debate, it's simply a topic where the author asks which desktop operating systems GrapheneOS users like to use, I answered a Linux distro, I'm far from being the only one and I've explained the reasons a bit, don't look for complicated.

        TheAwesomenESQ I use Tails too, but as and when, so I wouldn’t consider it my desktop OS which was what the question was. Tails is ace though I agree.

        I'm glad I made people laugh.

        I use Windows on desktop because my work in tech support requires me to have knowledge of Windows. Lack of basic knowledge of Windows features have already ceased me some slight embarrassment at work. The cause of which is that I used Linux for about a decade prior to getting that employment.

        I don't trust the security model of any desktop OS. With the exception of QubesOS, which I prefer over Windows and Linux. Any experienced Linux user would be able to use QubesOS. The only hard requirement for QubesOS, in my experience, is a powerful computer (which I currently don't possess).

        For anything sensitive, I use GrapheneOS.

        Wishing you all many laughs going forward. ;)

        I honestly doubt that GOS is as secure as Qubes with its physical isolation. I don´t use Qubes myself though, mostly because of its lack of user-friendliness.

          Linux Mint, and Windows 10 Pro for work, but I'm migrating to Linux full time and using web apps only for work. Let's see how long I can make it without needing full Office app features.

          For Outlook, Teams, and Dynamics, the web works just fine. I'm not sure how excel and word will work. I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

          Been exclusively daily driving QubesOS, both for work and personal, for a few years now. Never going back.

          Moved straight from Windows to Qubes. Migrated almost cold turkey over the span of 2 weeks. Was a steep learning curve at first because I had zero Linux knowledge, but it was a great learning experience and I feel so much better off for having taken the plunge. Qubes has fantastic documentation and an active and helpful community, so I always felt happy with the resources and support available. The best advice I can give to someone looking to switch over to Qubes is to first take an Introduction to Linux course online (Udemy or similar). That'll get you familiar with the terminal, filesystem and an idea of how Linux system administration works. Then really read and study Qubes' Getting Started documentation (on their website), followed by installing Qubes onto a spare bare metal machine (or VirtualBox if no second machine) and then playing around with creating domains and generally testing things out.

          Once you develop a familiarity and understanding of Qubes it really does make you feel like a god and in total control of your personal computing. The concept of gaining security by isolating different domains of your digital life and activities isn't hard to grasp, but does require some thoughtful time spent as to how you want to architect and compartmentalize all your activities. For me, it was a journey and I started with the most simple default setup (which by itself already delivers tremendous security improvements over a typical Windows or Mac or even Linux setup), and gradually compartmentalized more until reaching a long-term setup I was comfortable with. It's like compartmentalizing your untrusted apps or Play Services onto a separate user profile on Graphene, but the domain management system on Qubes is far more comprehensive and powerful. Graphene's implementation is great, but Qubes is on another level even if simply due to the level of control afforded on desktop over mobile. Qubes also makes managing networking and all possible kinds of networking setups on your system a breeze.

          Still occasionally experience kinks and issues with Qubes here and there, but nothing that a willingness to problem-solve can't fix within a day or two.

          While others have mentioned Qubes being super-secure by default, it's also stressed that while Qubes does already provide a more secure framework, the security of the OS running within each isolated domain ("Qube") is also very important. I run Kicksecure (hardened Debian) within each of my Qubes VMs. For those concerned with security and running vanilla Debian on bare metal, I recommend taking a look at Kicksecure. Very easy to install over vanilla Debian, and hardens your system with no noticeable changes to the desktop experience and no tradeoff in functionality. I liked reading Whonix developer Madaidan's articles (search for "Madaidan's Insecurities") on operating system security. He also seems to be a fan of Graphene and Qubes, and is in fact quite critical of standard Linux.

          If we're talking strictly bare-metal (no virtualization) installations: if I wasn't running Qubes, I'd probably opt for something like HardenedBSD (security-hardened BSD based on FreeBSD). I've played around with HBSD both on baremetal and as a Qubes VM, and from what I've studied it seems like a good functional-yet-secure middle-ground between Linux and something like OpenBSD, but I imagine the switch to BSD is not for most people (and while security may benefit, fingerprinting will certainly become a major issue).

          mythodical secure boot needs a fair bit of knowledge? Its usually just toggled from BIOS. Am I misunderstanding you?

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            Can't tell. But I'd prefer to use any Linux distributions that come with Gnome DE.

            openSUSE Tumbleweed while I wait for openSUSE Aeon or Kalpa to be production ready.