Hello,

i want to use Monero on Android, to be able to buy online, but it is confusing for me, when I look how the most secure and private way would be. Because everyone is saying something different and I hope someone can explain me, how I can do the most secure and private way, without leaks. I would prefer, if it is possible without Apps, meaning Online, but if I need Cake Wallet in the Process no problem. But I need to know every step in the process in a easy way to understand it. And do I need Cupcake from Accrescent too?

    In order to fully benefit from the advantages of Monero you need to run your own node. This requires so much storage space and computing power it does not make sense to run it on a mobile. The battery would be empty in no time.

      Researcher

      "I would prefer, if it is possible without Apps, meaning Online"
      Do you mean a web app?

      Monero should only be used within a wallet application like Cake, any web app is a scam.

      Let me repeat, do NOT use any kind of web app for Monero. You will lose your money in a scam.

      "But I need to know every step in the process in a easy way to understand it. "

      You are going to lose your money asking random people these questions....what do you need Monero for exactly? I really don't recommend using it for anything if you aren't sure how it functions...

          schweizer I mean if you push a transaction over Tor to a node, there is a debate there on which is more effective, but most users would be fine with such a method. Most users cannot run a node for the reasons you described, which is why Feather and similar wallets opt for such a method.

            Researcher as you were already told, you'd better be off not asking for such help online even on such a forum like this. It's not even that someone here would want to scam you (but it sure can happen) but you clearly have no grasp of such concepts so it will end up biting you in the ass..

            If you really 'need' anonymous buy options look into prepaid debit cards, surely there's at least one bank you could get it from. If you gonna keep overthinking this, not only will you not gain anything, you're on a quick route to serious issues.

                Researcher I don't think you will get much use out of monero, I don't recommend it.

                Im assuming by "buy anonym online", you mean " buy things anonymously online", but there isn't really a point to that especially if its a package (like amazon) or similar. (because you are going to give your address & name anyways)

                Monero does not keep you "anonymous", its a public ledger with obfuscated ledger data. It really doesn't matter how you pay for a service if you give them your address.

                Regardless, if you don't want to tie your bank to your online shopping (fair), consider a prepaid card or a credit card.

                    0xsigsev

                    raccoondad

                    both of you guys are assuming a lot, you might be American? He might be in a country that doesn't have either prepaid credit cards or amazon, and might want to buy things online only and maybe needs to keep his privacy for other reasons, government or corruption or who knows.

                    I would suspect that using Monero is surely better than using Bitcoin for this

                          I would also like to know what the "recommended" online payment option is supposed to be.

                          I thought it was supposed to be monero.
                          Personally i kinda dont like how i have to give all these random websites my credit card information. I would rather not.

                            rellhom you might be American

                            LoL no, you couldn't be more wrong. I don't assume anything I simply evaluate what I see. Do you really think you can pay with monero in some random 3rd world shop?

                              0xsigsev But I told before, that I'm willing to learn about it. I just need Beginner Guidance, nothing more.

                              Okay, thank you. I will research about the prepaid debit cards then. No, it has nothing to do with overthinking, it is just normal human concerns.

                                raccoondad I think, I would actually. Instead of sharing my Credit Card Infos online, I could do it anonymous too.

                                I think there is, because you don't need to give out your Adress. You can give out ups package store or something like that.

                                No, as far as I know, it is quite anonymous. Your mixing it up with Bitcoin...

                                Prepaid Card is fair, but what's the point of Credit Card? Big tech sells your Credit Card Data, because they collect those.

                                    rellhom We actually have both in my country, but you nailed it right. Because of Privacy.

                                    Yes! Exactly, what I was thinking. But I need to say, that I saw a Video on YouTube of a Guy, who only uses Bitcoin to buy Prepaid Cards online and buy with that from Shops. And he does not have a Bank anymore, because he managed to have a more private Life this way, which I really found amazing!

                                      dhhdjbd As far, as I know, Cash for reallife or Monero for Online. Yea true, I thought the same!

                                        Researcher How about this book? The author claims to be a monero contributor.

                                        In case you have an american debit card, you could use privacy.com which is an easy way to stop giving away your information to merchants (if that's what you're after in the first place).

                                          Researcher "No, as far as I know, it is quite anonymous. Your mixing it up with Bitcoin..."

                                          No, its a public ledger with obfuscated transaction data.

                                          Every transaction is still public, example: https://monerohash.com/explorer/tx/22a0d2fdad6cca3550cccb77f7bff2fab0b06030059efbc2378ade355ce0df7b

                                          The transaction is obfuscated, but not private. The original transaction used as inputs is obfuscated with a ring signature, the amount with RingCT, and the destination using stealth addresses.

                                          NONE of this will do anything outside of monero. This is why my point is using monero without even understanding what it does is not useful.

                                          If you don't understand this, monero is not for you...I absolutely know what I am talking about, please do not act like you do

                                              raccoondad

                                              Obviously Monero has its uses, and within the network, assuming keys are protected, its obfuscated fairly well.

                                              However: its still a public ledger, its data is public and permanent. This is the same for bitcoin as much as it is for monero.

                                              I can't query from an input its used output once its spent, unless I have the original stealth addresses private key (the integer that when using scalar multiplication on the generator of the curve gets me to the public keys 'point' in the curve order), in which case I could calculate the keyimage and query that. Regardless backtracking the transaction data further would be an issue.

                                              But none of this really matters if you don't really understand what you are doing and the implications of it. Monero isn't going to protect you from anywhere outside of monero, and you also have to consider the implications of how monero, as a public permanent ledger, will effect how you want to use it.

                                              Monero has also not exactly claimed to be 'anonymous', I suppose you could say ring signatures for inputs would count as anonymity (the identity of the true transaction isn't revealed to anyone but who can generate the original keyimage), but the term monero has always used is "private."

                                              I agree with the term 'private' to an extent, but I prefer obfuscated. The data is public, its meaning is not. Its a mix of probability that gets harder to follow as transactions go on.

                                              I guess obfuscated could give the allusion that to undo said obfuscation is trivial, which it isn't, but regardless, these things are important to truly understand and using monero without understanding could actually damage your privacy and security (any webapp that claims to be a monero wallet is almost always going to be a scam, hence hurting security.)

                                                  raccoondad i am sorry i dont really get what you mean, expecially with "outside of monero".
                                                  Could you/ do you mind giving a example in which someone would reveal their identity while using monero please?

                                                      dhhdjbd "Could you/ do you mind giving a example in which someone would reveal their identity while using monero please?"

                                                      A good example is paying an invoice using Monero for an account linked to your identity. The TXID and ring signatures used as the input are now tied to your identity. Ring signatures have 16 members, so its 1 in 16 for each input.

                                                      Is this the worst thing ever? No, and often people will take this weakness for less serious transactions. Paying an invoice or sending monero to a friend for example. This data is only exposed to people with the information to link the TXID to the identity of the account as well.

                                                      Stealth addresses are techincally exposed, but within the ring, so 16 keys, one true one, with a keyimage ID that's only linkable to the true key if the private one time key thats computable with the orginal wallets private key. Not too important.

                                                      However, my point is that there are implications you should understand. If these are questions you have, you probably should wait a bit before using Monero.

                                                      Mastering Monero is a good start: https://masteringmonero.com/free-download.html (https://www.getmonero.org/library/)