0xsigsev You muddled everything so much that I don't even know what to answer. I didn't relate KYC specifically to Mullvad, what's more, I pointed out that they encourage Monero by giving a lower price. Other VPNs force bank payments, which is related to KYC, but not on the VPN side, but on the bank's side.

First you claim Mullvad is a scam

and I explained why, but this applies to all VPNs.

go on a crusade against TOR

I pointed out weaknesses known for a very long time. Nothing groundbreaking. Then, I emphasized that Tor is probably the best solution we have now (Lokinet probably won't succeed).

What you blatantly skip is that you can pick multihop in Mullvad

Was I only focusing on Mullvad?

      argante Vanadium supports .onion links directly, so there is no reason to install Tor Browser.

      So you didn't actually understand any of what I was previously saying about TOR anonymity.

          n3t_admin So you didn't actually understand any of what I was previously saying about TOR anonymity.

          And did you notice the settings I indicated? Privacy in Vanadium also relies on the fingerprint not being unique.

              argante I'll just say it bluntly: you have no idea what you are talking about.
              If you don't believe me, believe the official usage guide:

              Vanadium will be following the school of thought where hiding the IP address through Tor or a trusted VPN shared between many users is the essential baseline, with the browser partitioning state based on site and mitigating fingerprinting to avoid that being trivially bypassed. The Tor Browser's approach is the only one with any real potential, however flawed the current implementation may be. [...] The focus is currently on research since we don't see much benefit in deploying bits and pieces of this before everything is ready to come together. At the moment, the only browser with any semblance of privacy is the Tor Browser but there are many ways to bypass the anti-fingerprinting and state partitioning.

              There is very good reason why neither Vanadium, nor Brave private tabs or anything else (mostly scamware) lives up to the standards of the TOR project. If you don't understand how browser fingerprinting works, please don't claim to have solutions that will compromise people's security sooner or later.

                  https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/12592-mullvad-introducing-defense-against-ai-guided-traffic-analysis

                  Mullvad admitted that even though they don't save logs, 90% (?) of the traffic is captured anyway (data centers, ISPs):

                  https://www.vice.com/en/article/fbi-bought-netflow-data-team-cymru-contract/

                  https://www.vice.com/en/article/us-military-bought-mass-monitoring-augury-team-cymru-browsing-email-data/

                  DAITA: if there's e.g. Cloudflare with MitM capabilities on the way, then despite this additional protection, it will probably be possible to get rid of this noise. But it's good to see that they're taking such initiatives.

                    n3t_admin If you don't understand how browser fingerprinting works, please don't claim to have solutions that will compromise people's security sooner or later.

                    This can be decided by directly comparing Vanadium with these settings vs Tor Browser. So far I've tested vs Librewolf and Vanadium performed better in such a fingerprint test.

                    At the moment, the only browser with any semblance of privacy is the Tor Browser but there are many ways to bypass the anti-fingerprinting and state partitioning.

                    Nice of you to point that out.

                        argante So far I've tested vs Librewolf

                        okay, since this is derailing into completely unrelated topics now, I'm out of here.
                        I just hope the project account will clean up here soon enough. (Dangerous) misinformation is usually not tolerated here, btw.

                          You muddled everything so much that I don't even know what to answer

                          How about you start providing source of your claims. So far all you say is Mullvad this Mullvad that, TOR this TOR that but you have not provided a single article proving your claims. Like the one below, where there's NOTHING from Mullvad, instead same article about Team Cymru and their "offering" which I am sure is just marketing bullshit bingo and they can't deliver.

                          argante argante Mullvad admitted that even though they don't save logs, 90% (?) of the traffic is captured anyway (data centers, ISPs)

                          Go ahead and prove me wrong with a single reputable source proving your claims. If you can't them stop spreading FUD.

                                0xsigsev

                                So far all you say is Mullvad this Mullvad that, TOR this TOR that

                                Start with yourself and write precisely what you are referring to.

                                Like the one below, where there's NOTHING from Mullvad,

                                https://mullvad.net/en/blog/introducing-defense-against-ai-guided-traffic-analysis-daita
                                .............^^^^^^^^^

                                instead same article about Team Cymru and their "offering" which I am sure is just marketing bullshit bingo and they can't deliver.

                                If you (so) sure is just marketing bullshit go ahead and prove me wrong with a single reputable source that it is not so.

                                Mod note:

                                Removed this last sentence. The discussion isn't getting toxic. Claims were made and those claims were questioned. People not agreeing with you isn't toxic.

                                    argante Just one last sentence from me, because this discussion is going nowhere, you clearly don't understand what you read and make sensations out of it just like the two initial articles you linked and I replied to. But I understand now why...

                                    1. The Mullvad article states something that was known for a.very long time and even here on this very forum many people said this. ISP is your first hop, many (especially big ISPs) monitor the traffic as a standard security practice, in EU this is (more) regulated than in US. Everyone knows it, no one tries to hide it as you imply here.

                                    2. Team Cymru.. lol, I won't link any documents or links, because I can't, but at the same time I won't ask you to just trust me on this, this is not how this works.

                                    Having said that I'll simply stop replying to your posts because it's pointless, there's no (technical) discussion with you, if you don't grasp the concepts of how any of this works and just parrots sensationalists and attention seeking media.

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