Gasuky this is true. Maybe Proton company do an NFC app (see Proton Wallet) at some point but requires a license. But all banking apps don't collect data from users?

    Gasuky a willingness to share the data with a Chinese company that is banned for security issues and risks by western gvmts re network equipment is another thing I don't understand in the thread.

        I just had a genius idea,
        i'll put some cash into my phone case.

        This will actually solve my problem i would normally solve with NFC payment:
        we go for a walk with my daughter and she wants ice cream and my physical wallet is at home

          andrej567 personally I thought of putting my contactless debit card into the phone silicone's cover
          and try to use it onto a terminal but I don't really go to the stores myself so I don't know if it's going to work

              mmobder Curve and Quicko wallet aren't chinese companies. The links only provide the .apk files for those apps. They have the huawei.com in the links because it's direct links from the Huawei AppGallery

                  mgeo doable but better disable cellphone nfc, in case it would interfere

                      andrej567 I see. I also came accross those apps when I was trying to simulate the bank card (which you can't cause of some security). Is it any useful for copying hotel card keys and simulate them with your phone? I mean I haven't found any app that you can do that

                          mgeo That mifare app is good to scan the rfid thing and
                          then you can use the log and use it for writing from pc to make a copy.

                          • mgeo replied to this.

                              mgeo Curve and Quicko wallet aren't chinese companies

                              I hasn't started they are, it was more about distribution channel which is Huawei in that case.
                              None of two distribute apks with accompanying signatures from their official websites (at least I wasn't able to find one). Thus you either choose Google Play store or Huawei store as a source of an apk. Aurora is at least open and transparent front end.

                                  Gasuky There is no NFC payment app that doesn't collect your data. And there are quite a few people who use those apps and, at the same time, GrapheneOS. It's something I don't quite understand. I'm on GrapheneOS to safeguard my personal data as much as possible. If I don't mind giving my personal data to an app that collects and shares it so I can make NFC payments, why don't you just reinstall the original operating system on your Pixel?

                                  Personally I don't use my phone to pay for things, or want to. But I can easily imagine that somebody might be willing to provide payment data (which includes location coupled with timestamp when paying) but unwilling to provide a complete 24x7x365 location track, plus a stream of data about which Bluetooth devices are nearby, plus a large company's "digital assistant" listening to all conversations in one's home, plus many other things.

                                  I don't think it must be "all or none".

                                    mmobder they are certainly not open source apps. I think the apps that are on huawei store are uploaded by the app companies but maybe modified for optimal data collection by them or Huawei mobile services (not sure)

                                      mgeo I wanted to clone one tag that the landlord presented as 'cannot be copied'. Copying was described on internet 10 years ago, even dummies like me can do it..

                                      • mgeo replied to this.

                                          mgeo it's just a plastic mifare key fob that opens the door to the place with trash containers

                                              andrej567 I see. Woah we aren't that advanced here.
                                              Not even doors. I think only at hotels you find these NFC cards