ZorroV999 thats entirely marketing apple does not respect users privacy at all Lmao
tempted to transition from GOS to iOS
knirirr apple already does advertising that's a decent chunk of their business and they also are invested into ai. There incentives are in everyway against privacy
AlanZ slimbook system76 etc theirs a lotore then just thinkpads I don't see a problem
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Guysinhowr
No thanks, not interested in that trash hardware. Been there, not going back.
decent apps like FairEmail just don't exist on iOS.
I think Preside comes close, although I use the Airmail Business edition because I value pretty looks above everything else : )
AlanZ I think Preside comes close, although I use the Airmail Business edition because I value pretty looks above everything else : )
Does Airmail business support sending via aliases? With fairemail you can set up separate identities for sending (e.g. foo@test.domain.com, bar@test.domain.com), although you cant do this on the fly while sending an email. It has to be done in advance in settings.
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redfoxjumper
Yes, it does. But the default Apple Mail has that functionality as well.
AlanZ I think Preside comes close, although I use the Airmail Business edition
Thank you for sharing about these apps! It seems like they don't support PGP, are they?
I could only find one iOS email client that supports PGP - Canary Mail... It's not ideal for UX tho
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You are welcome. There is no PGP integration like on Android, unfortunately. But there is a wonderful PGP app - iPGMail - that is modern and maintained unlike OpenKeychain. However, one has to manually encrypt the emails, so it is cumbersome.
Yes, CanaryMail has PGP integration, but their UX and privacy policy leave plenty to be desired.
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Also, AltaMail on iOS is pretty full featured (still no PGP integration unfortunately), maintained, no data collected, one time purchase available, etc. That is if you like the interface, which might not be everyone's cup of tea.
AlanZ Thank you!
I like the fact that one can choose to sideload updates via adb through recovery. Also, the automatic reboot feature that will bring you to BFU mode after set time by you.. Fine grained control of USB C port is important. Vanadium is much more secure and private than safari, and it capitalizes on memory hardening of GrapheneOS. Random mac for each network connection, even if it's the same network. Ability to reduce attack surface while connecting to cellular network by disconnecting 2g,3g and 5g. Ability to have secondary user profiles, as a result increasing your security. Memory tagging available in P8, just to name a few. I have an iPhone, however, GoS is goto phone, and has all the most important apps. My iPhone has weather apps, ig, uber, etc....
I'd like to add that, although it can be convenient to go with one of the two big mobile companies and just use their ecosystem, the masses of consumers choosing this is the very reason we have fuck all choice and fuck all agency. I use GOS because security and privacy are deeply important to me. But I also feel good using and supporting one of very few alternatives that consumers have in the current market. Big companies do what they do because it is profitable. It is profitable to lock down consumers and it is profitable to capitalise on their data. They will not stop doing whatever makes them money. The market is essentially controlled by consumer behaviour. The more consumers make better choices and support competition the more agency all consumers gain. Everyone has the right to make their own choices to suit their own needs, it's just nice to be aware that none of us operates in a vacuum. We are all feeding the system, and our choices MATTER.
It sounds like the folks arguing in favor of iOS over GOS seem to value aesthetics and false convenience of a Helicopter Parent doing everything for you the way they want it to be done (as opposed to the actual convenience of having my phone actually do what I tell it to)... over functionality and integrity.
Apple is a Pitcher Plant. An extremely successful one. If you want your phone to tell you what you can do with it in exchange for pretty icons, that's your prerogative.
I can't really speak to the security or even the privacy of iOS or GOS. I'm just not educated enough to offer an informed opinion. But I can offer an informed opinion of my subjective experience: After having exclusively used iOS for well over a decade and GOS for a few months, the thought of going back is outright distressing.
It sounds like the folks arguing in favor of iOS over GOS seem to value aesthetics and false convenience of a Helicopter Parent doing everything for you the way they want it to be done (as opposed to the actual convenience of having my phone actually do what I tell it to)... over functionality and integrity.
No, not necessarily. It is just that iOS does many things properly, while Android (not picking on GOS) is often half-assed. Sometimes the opposite is true. I used to share your sentiments, then spent a few years using Android. Suffice it to say, if it wasn't for GOS, I wouldn't ever have bothered.
GlytchMeister They are people who don't want live without e2ee smart Home, assistant, wallet, a complete ecosystem with TV and watch. You get none of this with Grapheneos.
(They also have a suite of best-in-class products (photos, notes, reminders,…) and some privacy services like aliasing and IP masking. All of this being end-to-end encrypted. But you can get this on GrapheneOS as well.)
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It's basically a question whether you want the convenience features of Apple (which are really really great!) at the cost of control and privacy (and money as Apple charges premium prices). It's especially privacy towards Apple where you can't do anything about. Apple is a hostile ad company now just like Facebook, Google and Microsoft.
If that tradeoff is worth it, Apple will be the obvious choice. Otherwise GrapheneOS is the obvious choice. I guess this is something we can more or less agree on.
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Agreed that the price of hardware isn't a relevant critique here, because pixels are basically the same price as iphones.
Apple does price gouge in other ways though.
For example, Apple takes a 30% cut of ALL transactions through their app store, an astronomical extortion the likes of which is rarely seen elsewhere in the economy at this scale.
Even Visa and MasterCard only charge 2-5% to use their payment platforms, and that is still a wildly abusive fee (ask any small business owner).
For what it's worth an opinion of a former long time iPhone user here (since 2016 until this year when I made a switch to GOS). In retrospect I wouldn't recommend iOS. Maybe its secure, maybe not (heard it was a prime target for Pegasus), but privacy is terrible. I swear this phone was spying on my bed talks. We were talking about going on vacation and the next day ads from tour companies roll in. Without asking my permission it sifted through photos, identified persons on these photos to create categories. It constantly checked GPS location (the only way to turn this off was to turn off remote phone locking which is one of its advertised security features). 2 months ago my iPhone fell and of course the glass cracked. I've promised myself that next phone will be privacy oriented. All I can say is, man, it feels great to be rid of Apple.
The customization choices are unparalleled...
Access to FOSS apps...
Sideloading apps...
Control over network...
etc. etc.
Maybe even stock Android seems a better choice. On my iPhone I couldn't even load my own mp3s to my phone (used to be possible in the past). Hell, I had to use a third party program to move my data from the phone.
Terrible, terrible practices. I'm not even missing on any 'features'. Siri sometimes came in handy but english is not my native language anyway so its not that useful.