Chat platforms

de0u

stateofresearch It is true that Discord and Telegram are not super-secure, but what is being discussed in the GrapheneOS chat rooms is public information.

The forum and chat moderators have set up quite a few options and bridged them. I suspect adding each one is harder as the number goes up.

matchboxbananasynergy

de0u It's not just about it being hard to bridge another platform, but additionally whether that platform is a good fit.

For example, if the platform doesn't have enough moderation/anti-abuse tools, it will just be a new vehicle for raids etc. and it wouldn't just affect users of that new platform, but the entire community due to them being bridged.

DeletedUser393

grapheine yup. Telegram is most def not safe. The guy who controls Telegrams servers works for the FSB. You can look it up. Someone did an investigation lately. I think OCCRP did. Not sure. Can’t remember

thmf

DeletedUser393 here is the original article: istories.media

DeletedUser393

thmf thanks you. Yes that it. Apologies to everyone, I am non English. My cousin is helping. I got in trouble for posting AI response, but I need as cannot proper English. I love GrapheneOS. I am new.

de0u

DeletedUser393 got in trouble for posting AI response, but I need as cannot proper English.

Typically an LLM translation of text you personally wrote will be ok, if it is on-topic for a thread.

nandohyphen1

GrapheneOS GrapheneOS has 3 main official chat platforms alongside the forum. You should consider to go along with the longer and more formal nature of the forum. Each of the chat platforms is bridged so you can choose you preferred platform:

Discord server
Telegram group
Matrix space

So would GrapheneOS even consider an XMPP channel? I think it makes sense. Even if its not bridged, I think it would be a good chat platform for GOS. I personally use XMPP, and I don't really want to sign up for a different platform, so this would be great for me (and probably a lot of other XMPP users).

de0u

nandohyphen1 So would GrapheneOS even consider an XMPP channel? I think it makes sense.

Could you please run a web search for site:discuss.grapheneos.org xmpp and see if this has already been discussed? I think maybe high-volume posters should also be high-volume searchers.

nandohyphen1

I'd join the Telegram group, but since telegram claims my number is banned, I can't even sign up for telegram despite never even using it before. It most likely was a previous owner of my number that got banned and not me. Even emailing them is useless. Thats why I am suggesting XMPP :)

nandohyphen1

de0u I have searched this (and read through the results). But I just don't see why GOS doesn't have an XMPP channel? I apologise if this has been answered. I just couldn't find it if it has.

de0u

nandohyphen1 Here are posts from earlier in this thread about XMPP:

Can you provide some information about how it is that you were not able to locate these posts in the same thread as where you posted?

nandohyphen1

de0u yes I did see those. I meant I couldn't really find a direct answer. Earlier in this thread @ErnestThornhill said

Their reasoning for not using XMPP was explained (in detail) on Mastodon when they first announced their decision for adding Discord to the list.

I saw this, but two questions.
One, is there a link so I can read this?
Two, do I need an account to read Mastodon stuff?

de0u

nandohyphen1 I couldn't really find a direct answer.

I see two issues that appear quite sufficient:

If XMPP doesn't support deletion then moderation can't happen, and moderation is necessary, so that would be a show-stopper.
Adding another protocol means more work for the maintainers, which would make sense only if adding it would dramatically improve the reach of the system.

nandohyphen1 Earlier in this thread @ErnestThornhill said

Their reasoning for not using XMPP was explained (in detail) on Mastodon when they first announced their decision for adding Discord to the list.

I saw this, but two questions.
One, is there a link so I can read this?

There is a link (ErnestThornhill). That link doesn't seem to work, but there is still lots of text in this forum thread discussing message deletion, moderator load, moderation tool quality, CSAM, and perceived popularity of platforms.

Two, do I need an account to read Mastodon stuff?

I don't know if Mastodon has private federated groups, but it definitely has private direct messages. But lots of content is public, for which an account is not required.

Overall, what I see in this thread seems pretty clear:

Some people like XMPP, which is fine,
Because spam and CSAM raids are a real issue, if XMPP makes moderation impossible then XMPP will not be pursued no matter how many people like XMPP how much,
Even if moderation of XMPP is possible, if it's merely difficult compared to the systems already being maintained then that's a big issue,
Because adding each platform requires real work, if XMPP did have good moderation tools but wouldn't connect a lot of users who wouldn't otherwise be reachable, it might not be worthwhile given current resources.

If that is accurate I really don't see how further discussion would be necessary. I don't know anything about XMPP, but a quick web search turns up XEP 0425, which seems to be marked "Experimental". If that's the situation, then, based on what the GrapheneOS team has clearly explained, XMPP will not be pursued, for good reason, no matter how many people like XMPP how much. Is it the case that XMPP does not support moderator deletion?

nandohyphen1

de0u Thank you for the clear explanation! And yes it is possible to moderate messages on XMPP. It can be a bit tricky though so that makes sense. Thanks

naphelge

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