guser39

Yeap, you are right - not Terms of Service, but the account locking article. As I never tried Proton, I can't comment on how often, if ever, this account lock happens - I was reading on the web that many people got their accounts locked this way though and it did push me back.

Anyway, I am personally using Posteo and am very happy with them. Proton, Tutanota and Mailbox.org are also a solid choice - its a matter of personal experience and preference, really. At the end of the day we want something that respect user privacy and all these secure email providers seem to tick the right boxes.

Posteo is a solid choice.

Not sure if I'd recommend Proton, their privacy policy seems vague when it comes to how long they store the collected information.

Also, when they require an already existing email address during the signup process, they create a catch-22. They do allow using a disposable email address when signing up though.

    nemo Also, when they require an already existing email address during the signup process, they create a catch-22. They do allow using a disposable email address when signing up though.

    Interesting that they asked for an email address. I'll admit that it's been a while since I signed up. They did ask for a phone number for one of my accounts, if I remember correctly. I think I was connected using PIA at the time. For my oldest, I don't think it asked for anything.

    I switched from Posteo to Protonmail 2-3 ago, and I have been quite happy since.

    The reason I switched was mainly because Protonmail has many features that I missed from Posteo. And, at least in my experience, Posteo's spam filtering is really, really poor, and it became a real nuisance having spam daily delivered to my inbox. (Reporting these to Posteo's team did not seem to improve their spam filter). I do still pay for an account there, mainly to keep receiving email to the addresses I have registered there, but I have set up email forwarding to my Protonmail account. I logged in to Posteo today and immediately spotted a scam mail in the inbox. I then checked Protonmail, and it had correctly flagged the same email as spam.

    Protonmail also supports custom domain names, which Posteo does not; although I respect their reasoning behind this.

    When that is said, I do encourage exploring Posteo as an alternative to the other providers mentioned. If you find their web interface to be barebones, you can set it up with Thunderbird, K9, etc. etc. without issues. And their aliasing service is good. Protonmail can do basically unlimited aliasing as well, but you have to pay for their Unlimited plan, which is expensive if you only want their email service.

    On the question of whether Protonmail is blocking Mullvad: Until a couple of weeks ago I used Mullvad with Protonmail for about 2-3 years. I have also logged in through Tor several times. I was never blocked nor did I have login issues, but then I have not been breaking their terms of service.

    I have seen accounts on Reddit about Posteo also suspending accounts, and their support being unwilling to give a reply. I don't know how accurate these stories are. I have nothing but good experiences with Posteo customer support, but then I have never had my account there suspended.

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    Protonmail uses .onion address but they try to trick people sometimes and the link "Sign-in" forwards to clearnet address.

    European Commission only officially transferred a lot of money to Protonmail.

    Beerman I've read through their ToS and they seem to be releasing previously taken e-mail addresses if the account is deleted (which can happen automatically if you don't pay), which is not really safe considering you might have some accounts attached to your address.

    Proton Mail is alright, but it's mobile app is mediocre and you cannot use IMAP (you need Proton Mail Bridge which requires a subscription and only works on PC). It's expensive for a personal user, too.

    Tutanota is OK as well but I'm not a fan of being stuck with their own client apps.

    I've been reading about Posteo recently and looks like I'm going to go for it.

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    I'm not sure if it has this feature?

    I use it as is. But it does have a lot of privacy options.

    If you use a VPN remeber to whitlist this app.

    wuku One option is to register a domain and purchase your own hosting account, there are plenty of good cPanel hosts for $40/yr and less with unlimited email accounts and aliases (up to storage limits). Get one that supports a default domain alias and you'll be able to make up email addresses on the fly and supply a different email address to every site you deal with.
    At this level you'll have your own storage scope, but assume your mail storage will not be encrypted. If you go this route, make sure to use a reputable provider that protects against spammers, otherwise your outbound mail may be flagged as suspect.

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    I advise yandex mail. Russia being under embargo, requests to collect IP data and others will be refused

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      [deleted] Might as well find a way to use a mail from North Korea?

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      If that's the logic that we are using.

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      Next thing I know I will be switching my antivirus to Kaspersky, Signal to Telegram and FB to VK. Just kidding.

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      I like Startmail because it is inexpensive for yearly membership ( they have regular 40% off sales). Encrypts for those who have the same, but also works for those u send who do not use the service. Alias emails, both burner and not.
      No logs.
      Only uses Imap and not pop to put all ur other services in one place.
      Can use the service as much anon or as little customized to what u want.
      And although I've never made contact, I've read they have good customer svce.

      Loved the idea of Proton, but just couldn't get out of my head that the creators are ex-CERN people.

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      alejandroide
      Hi alejandroide,
      Posteo has no app and please be careful, if you think you can use their encrypted in-box.
      Then you have nevermore mobile access to your emails from a smartphone, because Posten has no app to read encrypted mails.
      I have used Posteo many years. The operator and his staff are really sympathetic and trustworthy, but unfortunately they have not developed their technology further, there is no end-to-end encryption and no app for it.
      That's why I switched to Tutanota in 2019 and am super satisfied.
      They now have ten million customers and the offer has been improved again.
      New customers got a 50% discount during the promotional period and, to be fair, paying existing customers got 12 months free when they switched to the new subscription.

        Awesome collection of answers around here! This will mostly be a summary with few additions of what you might be looking for.

        EMail provider names that are great to look into based on your needs and threat model: ProtonMail, Tutanota, Mailbox.org, Posteo, Disroot

        Mobile apps on GrapheneOS for managing mails: The (Open Source) app of the provider, FairEmail or K-9 Mail

        All of those could be perfect for you, but they differ a lot in features, pricing model and design. Also you have to trust that the company remains true to their privacy claims and also won't shut down on short notice like CTemplar did not long ago. And the more people in your environment use a specific mail provider, the easier it gets to have E2E encryption for mails you send to each other. I personally chose Tutanota because I get a well-designed mobile app with a dark mode, E2E encryption, support for custom domains, a lot of aliases and instant notification support even without Sandboxed Google Play Services (which ProtonMail sadly doesn't have). I'm on their old pricing tier though and their current one might be less attractive. They also don't support PGP which I need for one specific use case, which is what I have a free ProtonMail account for.

        There's not one correct answer and as long as you stick to some basic rules, any of the mentioned services can be just right for you. Last but not least: Emails will always be inherently less secure than good messengers like Signal, so only use them when absolutely necessary.

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        Eagle_Owl Posteo can be used from a smartphone, and you can even use pwa.

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          It should be added that only posteo filters spam, and it works very well.