Hiroh phone?

Xtreix

Swamper Here is a pretty good comparison of different Android-based operating systems (not ROMs) : https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

You may also be interested in : https://web.archive.org/web/20241231003546/https://divestos.org/pages/patch_history

Mentioning other operating systems is not prohibited in this community, but if a project exists solely to make a profit by riding the wave of privacy concerns to attract customers, I think it's good to warn people about it.

gta3 You're wrong and that kind of attitude isn't helpful.

Swamper

gta3
Recommending Android 15, with open vulnerabilities, to military and government users is to stretch things a bit..

My original comment was more directed to the die-hard fan boys. But I understand how this was perceived now. Especially after reading a bit of history of the past.

> @"GrapheneOS"#p184378 Their claims about how apps are labelled by Exodus Privacy and DNS filtering are inaccurate. They do not detect privacy invasive apps and do not filter the most privacy behavior by apps.

@GrapheneOS
I've read your comments again and see things in a different view now. Are you talking about /e/OS not having Google Play Protect and other security measures that comes with Play Services?

Xtreix

Swamper Are you talking about /e/OS not having Google Play Protect and other security measures that comes with Play Services?

No, check out this link for answers, which also contains many other links : https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private

You can also check out this old blog post (I believe the author is or was a LineageOS contributor, but I'm not sure) to see that the problems with /e/ are not new and that it has never been reliable or trustworthy as a project : https://ewwlo.void.partidopirata.com.ar/

Swamper

Xtreix
I've experienced the reliability issues myself. That has been the main reason that I've dropped running /e/OS twice and once for CalyxOS, which are better in some ways but worse in other ways. When I switched to GrapheneOS I was so fed up with issues, that when I got an Android 16 bug for my Garmin watch i dropped back to stock Android.

I've read the blog post in the past. I just want you guys to see what this looked like to me. If you where a naive outsider, like me, and wanted to find the truth, how do you think this would look? 😂
Help us DESTROY the EELO EMPIRE!

NetRunner88

gta3
We aren't on MacRumors nor r/Apple 😂

23Sha-ger

Swamper GrapheneOS is considered the gold standard when it comes to security and privacy.

It is. As a former Cellebrite contractor, this is a dead end.
Regarding NSO and zero click exploits, their audience is mainly using iPhones. Nothing so far achieved on GOS, but attempts
were made. Currently Android zero click exploits are being sold,
or better to say offered, at a 1 million dollar bounty for each.
Needless to say they don't bypass MTE, which should also involve a very sophisticated chain of exploits.

secrec

gta3 The truth is kill switches have a great purpose and use case. Ignore that crap shill link.

From that link..... "The microphone kill switch is useless since audio can still be gotten via the sensors (such as the gyroscope or accelerometer)."

Seriously? Getting audio from the gyroscope/accelerometer? That would be one hell of a feat! It takes a hell of a lot better of an accelerometer with an interface a hell of a lot faster than i2c to accomplish that!

de0u

secrec Seriously? Getting audio from the gyroscope/accelerometer? That would be one hell of a feat!

https://csl.illinois.edu/news-and-media/42303

userofgos

secrec did you hear about Mic-E-Mouse last month? Interesting read: https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/07/mouse_microphone_security/

lars

I almost ordered one of these phones because I thought the actual price as 99€.

Oh, well.

Lars.

Joe-FastFeet

Oh, these ubiquitous swindlers! But the topic is interesting. Are there any real competitors to GrapheneOS that are not scammers?

DeletedUser495

Joe-FastFeet currently no. DivestOS used to lag behind until its demise.

Joe-FastFeet

DeletedUser495 Is DivestOS just "lagging behind" or is it also a "lagging crook"? Is it possible to find out which of the laggards is not a fraudster?

Xtreix

Joe-FastFeet Having trouble keeping up with AOSP updates and scamming users are two different things. DivestOS was a very honest project that never aimed to be an alternative to GrapheneOS, but rather a project to reduce the attack surface for users who couldn't use better options, such as end-of-life devices. DivestOS founder Tavi, recommended GrapheneOS over his own operating system if the user was able to do so. Harassment from members of /e/ and its founder played a role in the abandonment of DivestOS.

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