Hiroh phone?

Swamper

GrapheneOS You're repeatedly promoting /e/ and Murena directly based on their false marketing claims.

Why do you feel I'm promoting e/OS/? I'm sorry you took it this way.

GrapheneOS The false accusations you've made towards GrapheneOS have resulted in several of your posts being removed.

Why do you feel I have accused you of something and what did I accuse you of?
It's up to you if you want me to be a part of this community or not. To be honest, I feel that you're reacting a bit too much against me. If I thought you'd react badly to what I wrote, I wouldn't have written what I did, out of respect. That doesn't mean that I'll have my views, but you can't get everyone to just agree, without giving them the chance to actually learn.

If you want to ban my account, then you must do what you feel is right.
There will be no bad feelings from my side.

DeletedUser499

Swamper
"If I thought you'd react badly to what I wrote, I wouldn't have written what I did, out of respect."

That would be self regulation of your free speach, your view is as valid as anyone's,

GrapheneOS does not hold back when they dismantle other systems.

Swamper

DeletedUser499

To be honest, I still have questions.
GrapheneOS is considered the gold standard when it comes to security and privacy. I just want to learn more about this.

This would for me to actually involve looking at different OSes and compare them against GrapheneOS to learn why the GrapheneOS developers have made the choices they have made. Even more important is to be able to ask about the details about how the developers have concluded the statements against the competing roms.

I'm on stock Android right now, having a Pixel with GrapheneOS laying on my desk at home besides my two old devices with the fore-mentioned competing rom. My migration from stock Android failed this summer, trying several different roms, including GrapheneOS. Before trying again, I'd like to do good research and make a choice that fits my needs and to learn why or why not in the same process.

Like I said previously, there are no hard feelings. Just more questions. I'm currently doing investigations on my own on this matter.

If there should be a rule here on not mentioning the other roms, then I will comply.

Xtreix

Swamper Here is a pretty good comparison of different Android-based operating systems (not ROMs) : https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

You may also be interested in : https://web.archive.org/web/20241231003546/https://divestos.org/pages/patch_history

Mentioning other operating systems is not prohibited in this community, but if a project exists solely to make a profit by riding the wave of privacy concerns to attract customers, I think it's good to warn people about it.

gta3 You're wrong and that kind of attitude isn't helpful.

23Sha-ger

Swamper GrapheneOS is considered the gold standard when it comes to security and privacy.

It is. As a former Cellebrite contractor, this is a dead end.
Regarding NSO and zero click exploits, their audience is mainly using iPhones. Nothing so far achieved on GOS, but attempts
were made. Currently Android zero click exploits are being sold,
or better to say offered, at a 1 million dollar bounty for each.
Needless to say they don't bypass MTE, which should also involve a very sophisticated chain of exploits.

gta3

Swamper on this forum most users cannot and don't want to accept other options exist.

They are biased die hard fan boys

Its clear to see the link above about kill switches being marketting hype was written by sombody to defame and also misinform the reader.

The truth is kill switches have a great purpose and use case. Ignore that crap shill link.

Swamper

gta3
Recommending Android 15, with open vulnerabilities, to military and government users is to stretch things a bit..

My original comment was more directed to the die-hard fan boys. But I understand how this was perceived now. Especially after reading a bit of history of the past.

> @"GrapheneOS"#p184378 Their claims about how apps are labelled by Exodus Privacy and DNS filtering are inaccurate. They do not detect privacy invasive apps and do not filter the most privacy behavior by apps.

@GrapheneOS
I've read your comments again and see things in a different view now. Are you talking about /e/OS not having Google Play Protect and other security measures that comes with Play Services?

NetRunner88

gta3
We aren't on MacRumors nor r/Apple 😂

secrec

gta3 The truth is kill switches have a great purpose and use case. Ignore that crap shill link.

From that link..... "The microphone kill switch is useless since audio can still be gotten via the sensors (such as the gyroscope or accelerometer)."

Seriously? Getting audio from the gyroscope/accelerometer? That would be one hell of a feat! It takes a hell of a lot better of an accelerometer with an interface a hell of a lot faster than i2c to accomplish that!

Xtreix

Swamper Are you talking about /e/OS not having Google Play Protect and other security measures that comes with Play Services?

No, check out this link for answers, which also contains many other links : https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private

You can also check out this old blog post (I believe the author is or was a LineageOS contributor, but I'm not sure) to see that the problems with /e/ are not new and that it has never been reliable or trustworthy as a project : https://ewwlo.void.partidopirata.com.ar/

Swamper

Xtreix
I've experienced the reliability issues myself. That has been the main reason that I've dropped running /e/OS twice and once for CalyxOS, which are better in some ways but worse in other ways. When I switched to GrapheneOS I was so fed up with issues, that when I got an Android 16 bug for my Garmin watch i dropped back to stock Android.

I've read the blog post in the past. I just want you guys to see what this looked like to me. If you where a naive outsider, like me, and wanted to find the truth, how do you think this would look? 😂
Help us DESTROY the EELO EMPIRE!

de0u

secrec Seriously? Getting audio from the gyroscope/accelerometer? That would be one hell of a feat!

https://csl.illinois.edu/news-and-media/42303

userofgos

secrec did you hear about Mic-E-Mouse last month? Interesting read: https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/07/mouse_microphone_security/

lars

I almost ordered one of these phones because I thought the actual price as 99€.

Oh, well.

Lars.

Joe-FastFeet

Oh, these ubiquitous swindlers! But the topic is interesting. Are there any real competitors to GrapheneOS that are not scammers?

DeletedUser495

Joe-FastFeet currently no. DivestOS used to lag behind until its demise.

Joe-FastFeet

DeletedUser495 Is DivestOS just "lagging behind" or is it also a "lagging crook"? Is it possible to find out which of the laggards is not a fraudster?

Xtreix

Joe-FastFeet Having trouble keeping up with AOSP updates and scamming users are two different things. DivestOS was a very honest project that never aimed to be an alternative to GrapheneOS, but rather a project to reduce the attack surface for users who couldn't use better options, such as end-of-life devices. DivestOS founder Tavi, recommended GrapheneOS over his own operating system if the user was able to do so. Harassment from members of /e/ and its founder played a role in the abandonment of DivestOS.

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