ottoptj We will see how this goes. It seems like its usage will depend on the member states, so it may not necessarily be a requirement in every EU country. As long as a reasonable alternative method exists, things should be fine, but I fear that may not be the case.
Companies that today require some other ID to access their service may or may not be forced to also allow this as an ID. But physical ID cards won't go away and will remain a valid way to ID yourself.
ottoptj All that being said, making an EU app depend on an US company when the EU is supposedly trying to become more independent is a strange move.
Someone should add to the ticket that they should implement GrapheneOS attestation API too, if they go ahead with implementing attestation.
We already have the problem today that some electronic ID solutions use attestation and do not allow GrapheneOS. This looks like it might be open source? That might significantly increase the chances electronic IDs become usable to more GrapheneOS users.
Hat Judging by the number of thumbs-up on the post, people aren't bothered by this kind of intrusive application.
Nothing intrusive about it. We have had electronic IDs as long as we have had smartphones. This just tries to create a unified solution for EU instead of each national solution we have today. Nothing else will change as far as I understand.
Fupira because it's an optional thing you don't actually need - as of now, at least.
Well, a life without an electronic ID is not an easy life. How would you access your bank account from your phone or PC without being able to ID yourself? How would you access your medical journal? How would you be able to order medications if you don't live close to a pharmacy? How would you be able file insurance issues if you cannot ID yourself?
A life without an electronic ID would be a life where you need to travel to the closest physical office for everything you want to do that requires IDing yourself, so you can use your physical ID instead. Or very unsafe ways like taking a photo of your physical ID card. I am not even certain that last thing is accepted as a valid ID method here, because of how unsafe it is.
Fupira You can easily use your credit card or any other way to confirm your age, if you want to use any service requiring age verification.
I don't think this will be used for services that require age verification? Where did you get that from?
Hat It's optional at first, but the scope will be expanded later.
We have had electronic IDs for as long as we have had smartphones. There have not been any scope creep as of now, so I don't see why a unified solution would suddenly cause that.
Electronic IDs are used to ID yourself to your bank, insurance company, online pharmacy, health care and such things. Places that simply do require an ID of you to be able to help you anyway. It is simply an alternative to physical ID cards to make life easier.
Hat The EU will decide which websites need permission to be visited. The next step will probably be to give permission to download applications.
No, electronic IDs have never been used for this, and we have had electronic IDs in EU since smartphones came along. I don't understand why this slippery slope thinking appears now.
Hat Those are financial apps they already have the right to ask for almost anything.
And those are the only entities that will require you to show an electronic ID.
Fupira The fear about them requiring it for non-age-restricted sites - sure, I get it. I'm not on the same side as our politicians, or really any for that matter.
Where does the fear that this will be used for age verification on age restricted websites come from?
Viewpoint0232 Funny that the EU wants to make it mandatory to have a Google or Apple account.
Yeah, the electronic ID solution we have in my country today works fine on GrapheneOS, and do not depend on having any Google account as far as I know. I hope they won't replace it anytime soon.