Do y'all use a VPN? If yes, which ones do you recommend?

m4ri0g

[deleted] I only recommend non-political services so Proton is not one of my favorites.

can you elaborate on why proton is a political service? wdym?

Rizzler

m4ri0g No. Firstly that user can't respond because they are deleted. Secondly, please refer to my post above. Look into their politics yourself if you want but this is not a political debate forum. This is my last post on this. Lets get back to the technical discussion.

Rizzler

anon1 Why do you see them as shady? I think they are far more trustworthy than the other options.

anon1

Rizzler Yes, they are more trustworthy. Yet still they dont offer key protection. How can I not see them as disingenuous?

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Rizzler

Thank you for the information. I've been concerned about a few other things with them anyways and been pretty happy with Tuta and mullvad instead tbh

000000

locked i heared that proton sold out a usetbbecauae he skipped school. I think it was mental outlaw

de0u

000000 i heared that proton sold out a usetbbecauae he skipped school.

It is best if claims about entities having taken some action are accompanied by some specific support, such as citing a source.

Otherwise I could write something like "I heard that discussion forum users whose usernames are just a sequence of zeroes are generally crypto thieves".

000000

000000 i thaught wrong! It was not about protonvpn it was about the emailservice.

000000

de0u give me an hour i'll look it up.

000000

de0u this is the article:

https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-address-of-french-activist-after-order-by-swiss-authorities/

And the Video is called:

ProtonMail sends user ip and device info to swiss authorities

On youtube

Rizzler

My problem with Proton is that they are trying to hold as much central power in the "privacy community" as possible. They are also making it harder to avoid them because they are buying up other privacy companies. They also do everything but they are not the best at anything because they don't have a central focus. I take issue with the mindset that gainig users is more important than improving the existing services they offer.

Byku

000000 Are you be referring to this article perhaps?
https://protonmail.com/blog/climate-activist-arrest/

They handed over their customer's data which was not much, just the IP number, in this case it was enough to track him down though. I wonder if it's permittable for email servers to delete their logs like they do with vpn servers.

m4ri0g

Byku oh i read that..
my stance is that the authorities knew they /he was using proton then he was negligent.
it is like that student who sent a bomb alert to delay exam using tor from the campus wifi
all they had to do was look to the wifi record who connected to tor
would you say tor is to blame? that they are not as anonymous as they claim to be?

de0u

000000 i thaught wrong! It was not about protonvpn it was about the emailservice.

That's one reason why citing sources is generally productive. Thanks for clarifying!

anon1

Viewpoint0232 HA! They have been saying "soon" for so many years. Just like proton does with certain features. it will never happen.

Every "privacy" centric company is basically forced (yes, forced, you know what i mean) to do penance by giving up SOME kind of key protection. For Proton it's recovery info and no monero, for Mullvad it's no multihop for android. For Signal for a long time it was blasting your phone number everywhere and still is downloading only from google play, these kinds of things.

DeletedUser217

anon1 I do not believe that is a useful interpretation especially when Mullvad is innovating with features like DAITA. Feature sets is a valid point of comparison when evaluating products but that requires fairly acknowledging the advantages and disadvantages of the competing products and/or services.

Rizzler

anon1 Multi hop is a feature barely used by most people, so they'll probably only implement it later. Its not something nefarious.

mmobder

I don't see surfshark mentioned here, is it because it has issues? They claim they support no-log policy

Viewpoint0232

mmobder

Every VPN claims that, it's not always credible

SovereignCopper

mmobder Well, SurfShark == NordVPN, which isn't exactly great (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NordVPN#Criticism). Here's some proof and trash talking about it by Windscribe: https://blog.windscribe.com/is-privacy-even-real-in-the-vpn-world/ and https://kumu.io/Windscribe/vpn-relationships#vpn-company-relationships/surfshark

mmobder

Viewpoint0232 true, they've claimed they've passed respective audit, thought I haven't checked details and decided to ask community for an experienced answer.

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