There is no evidence that I know of that Proton is a honeypot. The times they gave user info to the authorities was when they were compelled to because of local laws and even then the info they were able to share was minimal.

If someone wants to make claims otherwise, they need to provide evidence. Don't say "watch this documentary," because I don't have time to watch a documentary every time someone makes some claims here. People making big claims need to share links to a news article or trustworthy website to back up their claim.

Unverified FUD / conspiracy theory, whatever claims will be removed. Repeatedly posting things like this will result in suspensions or bans.

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I'm somehow intuitive

But I also think we shouldn't underestimate human intuition.

A very interesting 1st post?
You place a lot of trust in your intuition.
Also, that English translation is impeccable.
What engine are you using please?

DeletedUser131 There can be potential complexities and legal concerns with accepting cryptocurrencies with 'absolute' anonymity. Tutanota absolved themselves of this issue by enabling third-parties to sell gift-cards and that seemingly works for them from a business perspective.

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    I have read and re-read your post.

    This is my intuition at work.
    This is my insight. (well you did ask, after all!)

    This post has an agenda, a thinly veiled smoke and mirrors attempt at gaining support for arguments against a certain company, whilst steering it to another.
    Your logo.. not very subtle..

      [deleted] I very much doubt that this person is at all affiliated with IVPN, if that's what you're insinuating.

      (Mentioning that because that's what their logo reminds me of)

          matchboxbananasynergy (Mentioning that because that's what their logo reminds me of)

          Its 100% the iVPN logo, which honestly does seem a little sus. Hopefully there is no affiliation.

              itsjpb As usual there is no real evidence of them being a honeypot. They are audited but how can we trust that these auditor companies are not also intelligence shell companies?

              The fact that proton handed over user data is a non-argument. They simply have to because of the jurisdiction they are in.

              But what is obvious is that they don't really care about users or their privacy/anonymity. If they would, they would develop a non-FCM notification system instead of just talking. They are most likely better than other overt spying cloud services, but not for a serious privacy enthusiast.

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                  TrustExecutor

                  TrustExecutor As usual there is no real evidence of them being a honeypot. They are audited but how can we trust that these auditor companies are not also intelligence shell companies?

                  classic case of "who watches the watchers" a rabbit hole akin to a traversable wormhole...

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                      Dumdum Its 100% the iVPN logo, which honestly does seem a little sus. Hopefully there is no affiliation.

                      You may well say that, I couldn't possibly comment!

                        Dumdum Its 100% the iVPN logo, which honestly does seem a little sus. Hopefully there is no affiliation.

                        I don't think you can speculate based on a simple avatar, another member on this forum has the Mullvad logo and that proves strictly nothing, the author just seems to dislike ProtonVPN for some reason x or y, and it's easy to replicate his speculations on absolutely any service provider.

                          It's OK to question products and services on offer. If we didn't we'd all be running iPhones or whatever manufacturer's Android.

                          DeletedUser131 a few days ago in an episode of the opt out podcast, Andy Yen, the CEO of proton explained why they don't accept monero. In short, due to Swiss law they are required to get an audit every year and they wouldn't be able to get one from a reputable company if they would accept monero.

                              RRZishe that sounds like a lame excuse to me. Tuta has managed to bypass this by just allowing a third party organization to sell vouchers via XMR. I don't see how Proton couldn't do the same, effectively offering XMR payment but not compromising the audit.

                              I'm not saying Proton is bad or a honeypot, I like and use Proton Mail (free) for certain things that require PGP and consider them the best for this job. The main reasons I'm not giving them money are the lack of easy XMR payments and notifications without Google Play Services running in the background.

                                Proton VPN crashes with memory tagging enabled, their GitHub releases are inconsistent, they need Google Services for notifications, the fixes for Android DNS leaking doesn't work with Proton and all of their apps contain a tracker which is present in some other apps not perceived to be privacy conscious (Discord, Sonos, Evernote etc)

                                I'm not saying anything is sus' I just thought I'd do a few quick searches. The above may or may not be of concern.

                                  Asonderu What about your insights?

                                  My insight is this; unless you are provided irrefutable and absolute proof that something is as it is claimed, then there is always a risk that it is something else. That doesn't mean that it is something else, just that it could be.

                                  Consequently, in deciding whether or how to use some service, you need to assess the risk and make your decision accordingly. It may be ok to use a service that has some risk, but you might want to take care of the sensitivity of the data you expose to that service.

                                    Y'all really need to stop conflating privacy with anonymity.

                                    Also

                                    Graphene1 I wouldn't use a provider's own application for vpn tbh, get the wireguard app and use config files instead.