fid02 thank you. I actually had thoughts toward this answer, but it nice to make sure.

    Graphene1

    It would be great to have installed as standard but have the option to uninstall (and reinstall from apps if a use case arose for the user)

    This is already how it works. It's installed in new profiles by default but you can disable it. The difference between disabling and uninstall for system apps is that if you uninstalled it, you couldn't just enable it again. Uninstalling a system app won't remove it from the OS images and won't save any storage space. Us including more apps in the OS images also doesn't waste storage space for users. We have a certain amount of space reserved for the OS which is the same as the stock OS and we don't use all of it.

        AlanZ Uninstalling apps always works that way. The package is shared between each profile with it installed and the packages installed to data are removed if no profiles have it installed. It's not really special for system apps. There should be no reason to use uninstall instead of disable. What do you think you gain from it? It won't save you any space, since Info shipped with the OS doesn't use any space. A disabled app can't run, no different from it being uninstalled.

            Velocity9490 This doesn't have any benefit over disabling it beyond making it significantly harder to get back since you can't simply enableit again. Doing that requires using developer options and enabling ADB which adds substantial attack surface and is not recommended on a production device. If you disable a system apps that's not included in our app repository, you may not know how to add it back when it turns out you want it or need it.

              danijelcamdzic What's wrong with disabling it? Uninstalling it has no advantage beyond not having the option to enable it again in Settings. It won't save you any space, since it doesn't take up space from being installed in a profile. The packages for installed apps are shared between each profile. In this case, the package is shipped with the OS, which has a certain amount of reserved storage space in total. Adding this app didn't increase the storage space used by the OS, and it's tiny, so it doesn't contribute anything significant towards reaching the limit.

                @matchboxbananasynergy @GrapheneOS
                Dear Dev Team... NOT all of us hold distain for the myriad of completed enhancements you bring to GOS on such a regular basis. I also find often, users, not having the background / insight into the decision process behind changes, can therefore not necessarily see the benefit or value, or future value of these changes, and then express their ignorant (not meaning to offend here, just accurately describe) displeasure.

                I actually struggle to find the words to express my level of gratitude for the incredible professionalism and technological depth of Graphene OS. I have spent hours reading the FAQs and GOS Features pages on the website and am astounded at the achieved privacy and security!
                I for one thank you! Your work is incredibly appreciated and valued.
                VAULT

                GrapheneOS There should be no reason to use uninstall instead of disable. What do you think you gain from it? It won't save you any space, since Info shipped with the OS doesn't use any space.

                I gain knowing that it is truly gone. Why is this so hard to grasp? No, it is not about space, it is my desire to know that it is irrevocably gone.
                Would you please stop pushing the "disable" option, that is not what some of us are looking for.
                When I scroll through my list of installed apps I don't want to see it with the stupid "disabled" label underneath it, I don't want to see it at all.

                    AlanZ So it's all in your head, and has nothing to do with facts or with any technical issue that might come to worry the user. A system application doesn't use user storage space, and deactivation is actually preferable to uninstallation.

                        AlanZ Wow! I think you may have chosen the wrong OS for your phone... or perhaps you're just a bot. Either way, you appear to me to be ignorant and ungrateful for what is most likely the most secure and private mobile OS available... oh, and not my words, but Ed Snowden thinks so.
                        Either way, I won't bother reading any of your future posts on anything. Your lack of gratitude is astounding to me. Perhaps you'd like to even build your own OS, just the way you'd like it.

                        Movin on... bye!

                            Xtreix
                            A system application doesn't use user storage space, and deactivation is actually preferable to uninstallation.

                            Yes, keep parroting the talking points.

                                AlanZ Since this seems so important to you, your only options at this stage are to use another mobile operating system that does what you're asking, or to fork GrapheneOS yourself, sorry.

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                                  VAULT Your logic is not very good. You can be grateful and criticise at the same time.

                                    While we definitely appreciate people defending GrapheneOS here, I do not want this post to become an argument or an endless back and forth about this, so I think it's about time we put an end to it; both "sides" have expressed their points, and it is clear that despite explanations, and the fact that there's no material difference between uninstalling and disabling this app, it isn't good enough for some people.

                                    What I can recommend for those people is that they can look into maintaing their own builds of the OS with this app removed. This is not meant to be dismissive of people's feedback, or a way to tell people who disagree with something to "go away", it's a legitimate recommendation. Many people, including community members on this very forum maintain their own builds of GrapheneOS - and they're not all developers.

                                    If you have a powerful enough device and some patience, you should be able to follow https://grapheneos.org/build to do this, and removing the Info app should be pretty trivial to accomplish. It is important to note that you'll have to build new releases, as you'll no longer be able to update via the official releases, but it's something that you can do.

                                    After all, as https://grapheneos.org/features#project mentions:

                                    "You can make your own builds and make desired changes, so you aren't stuck with the decisions made by the upstream project".

                                    I would like for that to be the end of that, please, and I would urge people to please remember to be kind and nice to others, even when we disagree.

                                    @AlanZ Please try to remember that at the end of the day, and despite our disagreements, we really are on the same side, and I have no doubts you also want the best for GrapheneOS, as do the rest of the people on this forum.

                                    I'm leaving this post unlocked for the time being, but if non-productive arguments continue, we may have to lock the thread and/or issue temporary suspensions if necessary, which I'm hoping it won't be.

                                      13 days later

                                      GrapheneOS This app uses the modern Material 3 style and supports Material You. It has themed icon support like all the other apps with launcher icons.

                                      This is cool, the app indeed looks clean and modern, your use of Material 3 is appreciated.