GrapheneOS Info app version 2 released

Panda-na

I like the app, and I see great potential for it! Keep up the good work 😊👍

A few things:

On each of the cards that present the release notes, could you provide a link directly to the discussion thread here in the forum?
Since this app is for new users (as well as old), could you provide the information about how the release works for alpha/beta/stable? There has been a lot of users asking about this in the last month or two, and it seems to be confusing for them that alpha/beta/stable is the same release (contrary to other software releases). And also explain that there is roll-back protection and changing channels does not fix a problem.

de0u

Panda-na Since this app is for new users (as well as old), could you provide the information about how the release works for alpha/beta/stable?

I think this is a good suggestion.

matchboxbananasynergy

Panda-na Thank you for your feedback. I've passed both points on for further discussion.

On a personal note, I think linking to the forum post might be nice to do, though perhaps tricky to implement, as the release notes page currently takes content from the releases atom feed, and just parses it and spits it out in a nice UI. An easy way is to start including the forum link to the release notes, at which point the app could "learn" to parse it with a fancy button or something. Interesting to think about.

Panda-na Since this app is for new users (as well as old), could you provide the information about how the release works for alpha/beta/stable? There has been a lot of users asking about this in the last month or two, and it seems to be confusing for them that alpha/beta/stable is the same release (contrary to other software releases). And also explain that there is roll-back protection and changing channels does not fix a problem.

We could include the "About the releases" information in the release notes page. Perhaps with a little "i" information icon at the top right. Worth thinking about.

Xtreix

matchboxbananasynergy The second reason for that is because we will likely be expanding the functionality of the app beyond its current scope of just providing information that can be found on the website by incorporating tips and guides for new users and existing long-term users alike.

That's exactly what I had in mind when I was reading the previous paragraph. All his suggestions seem to me to be going in the right direction, thank you.

Onlyfun

fid02 thank you. I actually had thoughts toward this answer, but it nice to make sure.

GrapheneOS

Graphene1

It would be great to have installed as standard but have the option to uninstall (and reinstall from apps if a use case arose for the user)

This is already how it works. It's installed in new profiles by default but you can disable it. The difference between disabling and uninstall for system apps is that if you uninstalled it, you couldn't just enable it again. Uninstalling a system app won't remove it from the OS images and won't save any storage space. Us including more apps in the OS images also doesn't waste storage space for users. We have a certain amount of space reserved for the OS which is the same as the stock OS and we don't use all of it.

Graphene1

GrapheneOS makes sense, thank you for clarifying

GrapheneOS

AlanZ Uninstalling apps always works that way. The package is shared between each profile with it installed and the packages installed to data are removed if no profiles have it installed. It's not really special for system apps. There should be no reason to use uninstall instead of disable. What do you think you gain from it? It won't save you any space, since Info shipped with the OS doesn't use any space. A disabled app can't run, no different from it being uninstalled.

AlanZ

GrapheneOS There should be no reason to use uninstall instead of disable. What do you think you gain from it? It won't save you any space, since Info shipped with the OS doesn't use any space.

I gain knowing that it is truly gone. Why is this so hard to grasp? No, it is not about space, it is my desire to know that it is irrevocably gone.
Would you please stop pushing the "disable" option, that is not what some of us are looking for.
When I scroll through my list of installed apps I don't want to see it with the stupid "disabled" label underneath it, I don't want to see it at all.

GrapheneOS

Velocity9490 This doesn't have any benefit over disabling it beyond making it significantly harder to get back since you can't simply enableit again. Doing that requires using developer options and enabling ADB which adds substantial attack surface and is not recommended on a production device. If you disable a system apps that's not included in our app repository, you may not know how to add it back when it turns out you want it or need it.

GrapheneOS

danijelcamdzic What's wrong with disabling it? Uninstalling it has no advantage beyond not having the option to enable it again in Settings. It won't save you any space, since it doesn't take up space from being installed in a profile. The packages for installed apps are shared between each profile. In this case, the package is shipped with the OS, which has a certain amount of reserved storage space in total. Adding this app didn't increase the storage space used by the OS, and it's tiny, so it doesn't contribute anything significant towards reaching the limit.

VAULT

@matchboxbananasynergy @GrapheneOS
Dear Dev Team... NOT all of us hold distain for the myriad of completed enhancements you bring to GOS on such a regular basis. I also find often, users, not having the background / insight into the decision process behind changes, can therefore not necessarily see the benefit or value, or future value of these changes, and then express their ignorant (not meaning to offend here, just accurately describe) displeasure.

I actually struggle to find the words to express my level of gratitude for the incredible professionalism and technological depth of Graphene OS. I have spent hours reading the FAQs and GOS Features pages on the website and am astounded at the achieved privacy and security!
I for one thank you! Your work is incredibly appreciated and valued.
VAULT

AlphaElwedritsch

AlanZ I think you won't get what you want, no matter how many times you say it and no matter how aggressive you get

Xtreix

AlanZ So it's all in your head, and has nothing to do with facts or with any technical issue that might come to worry the user. A system application doesn't use user storage space, and deactivation is actually preferable to uninstallation.

VAULT

AlanZ Wow! I think you may have chosen the wrong OS for your phone... or perhaps you're just a bot. Either way, you appear to me to be ignorant and ungrateful for what is most likely the most secure and private mobile OS available... oh, and not my words, but Ed Snowden thinks so.
Either way, I won't bother reading any of your future posts on anything. Your lack of gratitude is astounding to me. Perhaps you'd like to even build your own OS, just the way you'd like it.

Movin on... bye!

AlanZ

AlphaElwedritsch

VAULT
Nobody is making you read anything and your opinion is worth squat to me. I was addressing @GrapheneOS .

AlanZ

AlphaElwedritsch
I could care less. In any case I was answering @GrapheneOS.

AlanZ

Xtreix
A system application doesn't use user storage space, and deactivation is actually preferable to uninstallation.

Yes, keep parroting the talking points.

[deleted]

VAULT Your logic is not very good. You can be grateful and criticise at the same time.

router99

gergb1970 small price to pay for something you don't have to pay money for

Xtreix

AlanZ Since this seems so important to you, your only options at this stage are to use another mobile operating system that does what you're asking, or to fork GrapheneOS yourself, sorry.

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