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For Jonathan's sake, both of you please stop it. You are on the same bloody team and you're both knowledgeable. People get what either of you means. No need for high-chin fine-pointing it.
Remember, other people read this, including those who are new. They see these, uhm, contests and think to themselves, what a mess this is and decide to keep their distance. (Bickering kept me away back when).
No wonder concepts we all stand behind don't catch on society-wide, which reflects in a $&!¥-show we see in the news everyday.
Anyway. Let's stay on topic and try to be helpful.
(Perhaps also gently remind me of my very own point in the future, should I lose my ship at some point).
Cheers)