Press communication in France about GrapheneOS

M_2_Sade

Eirikr70 libération and Le Monde are NOT left wing anymore. I suggest you look into thé whole Le Monde situation (it was "bought" by a very close ally of Macron)
Blast (which I know for sure the journalists use Graphene) could be an option, Mediapart maybe aswell ?

Eirikr70

M_2_Sade I know about Le Monde for having been (in another century) one of their employees, and for reading them every day. I don't care whether to call them left or not. All I know is they would be willing to publish a balanced article on our subject.
I don't know Blast so I suppose that its reader-base is quite small.
Mediapart would also be a good option, although they are very politically involved and hence might be regarded as partial.

M_2_Sade

Hat FranceInfo is not left wing neither, petit bourgeois at best.
I do agree that connecting the projet to left-wing media solely is not the move tho

M_2_Sade

Eirikr70
I guess this all comes down to a generational divide

Xtreix

A balanced article about us by CanardPC from Press Non-Stop might be a good thing. They are independent and have sections dedicated to hardware and technology, although the magazine is quite niche and primarily targets video games.

The problem is the mainstream media, which is read by the majority and which all have biased narratives.

Blastoidea

NotBigInternet

Name three.

Xtreix

NetRunner88 Turn off TV, do not read state supported newspapers, free your mind of all this 💩

Exactly, apart from a few pretty good reports that have nothing to do with technology, such as arts, animals, and food (even if we don't need TV for that), TV and state supported newspaper are largely a means of lobotomizing yourself while wasting your time, left or right, no matter. It lost its appeal a long time ago and is mainly watched and reading by boomers, for the TV, even they admit that it has become a poor medium for watching movies, so they all have Netflix subscriptions. Disney+ etc which are poor quality and invasive streaming services that I personnaly don't use and will never use.

The other problem is that social media as a whole is no better and influences the media.

Eirikr70

Xtreix Lol, I'm almost a boomer, so let me read my newspaper ;)

M_2_Sade

Eirikr70 we figured :)

mmmm

NetRunner88 That’s all well and good, but it’s not us here that need to be told or to understand. It’s the general public. And as they’re fully unaware of most of that, then your rant does nothing to make Graphene’s standing any better to these people that don’t understand..

grayway2

GrapheneOS Are you talking about Johanna Brousse ?

She's not the leadership of French law enforcement but rather the leader of a task unit in charge of cybercrime.

She said " Mais ça ne nous empêchera pas de poursuivre les éditeurs, si des liens sont découverts avec une organisation criminelle et qu’ils ne coopèrent pas avec la justice."

In English: if it's proved that the GrapheneOS foundation has connections with the organized crime and refuse to cooperate with French justice, we'll sue them.

mmmm

grayway2 In English: if it's proved that the GrapheneOS foundation has connections with the organized crime and refuse to cooperate with French justice, we'll sue them.

What makes me rage about the type of statement is that it's so uneducated. Way to say you know nothing without saying you know nothing. Apple devices can be made just as bullet proof against LE, I bet they won't even threaten to sue them though. Muppets.

grayway2

mmmm Remember the dispute between the FBI and Apple after the San Bernardino attack. The FBI repeatedly asked Apple to implement a backdoor in iOS encryption and opened a court case to force Apple to create and electronically sign new software that would enable the FBI to unlock the iPhone 5C (unlimited attempts to brute force the passcode)

mmmm

The news on the telly in france tonight is dutifully reenforcing that people are being killed by drug gangs and they're using grapheneOS. Cue crying mothers, and suspensful music. These same kids, of course, are being killed by cops pretty regularly.

mmmm

grayway2 I do remember that. But this is different. This is turning the publics opinion. So if the mother in law I mentioned earlier happened to realise I was using grapheneos, would she feel obliged to 'turn me in' or would she inherently distrust me the same as she would if she found a gram of coke in my pocket?

grayway2

mmmm As for now, GrapheneOS isn't illegal to use.

French authorities are really pissed off that they can't extract data on Pixels with GrapheneOS and I have a strong feeling that they're trying to destroy or make disappear the entire project.

They're currently creating a bad opinion of GrapheneOS so they can later have an excuse when they'll declare it illegal to use (publishing a lot of articles about how much grapheneOS helped drug dealers, terrorists or child molester to commit horrible crimes until the public believe it was exclusively built for them and that GrapheneOS is an evil thing)

argante

GrapheneOS THO did an episode about these publications in France. He's pointing out that the press is trying to link you to criminals, and your response on Twitter can only help them. THO being ridiculed by some, but he's a big promoter of the GOS. I suggest you seek legal help. Maybe @ryrona can advise you, as seems to have considerable experience in this area. In my opinion, the Graphene Foundation should consider suing these newspapers for defamation, demonstrating that attempts to link the GOS to criminals could influence the foundation's donors. This is your best defense to prevent the GOS from being criminalized.

ryrona

argante Maybe @ryrona can advise you, as seems to have considerable experience in this area.

Oh no, don't involve me in this. Honestly, France will not take any legal actions against GrapheneOS if GrapheneOS is not based in French jurisdiction, since their actions against GrapheneOS would be illegal pretty much anywhere else in the world, so they would not get support for it from other countries. French government has a history of illegalizing things though, and then doing a country wide DNS/IP-ban of all services related to that thing. We in the activism area I am active in has already been victims of that years ago. So as I see it, that is the worst outcome here. They would block grapheneos.org domain and related IP-addresses in France. Also known to be super easy to circumvent using VPN services, as they don't block VPNs. And such blocks tend to in average case lead to 2/3rd of users dropping out, 1/3 circumventing the ban. With that said, France has not illegalized GrapheneOS yet, and I am uncertain how such a law would be phrased to not risk illegalizing stock Android devices and iPhones too. But we will see.

Eirikr70

grayway2 I disagree with that. How would they apply that rule ? They couldn't control all the Pixels, or make the Pixels illegal. I don't think they would go that path. But they make so having a Pixel becomes suspect.

grayway2

https://www.franceinfo.fr/faits-divers/narcotrafic-les-autorites-alertent-sur-l-utilisation-d-un-systeme-d-exploitation-de-telephone-pour-echapper-aux-forces-de-l-ordre_7631510.html

Le système Graphene OS permet notamment l'effacement automatique des données du téléphone en cas de manipulation par un tiers (notamment lors du branchement sur un ordinateur), d'installer des applications piégées qui provoquent l'effacement des données en cas d'activation (en reproduisant par exemple un fausse icône du mode avion ou d'une application comme Telegram ou Snapchat), souligne le document des renseignements criminels

(everything listed can be achieved in a basic android device, it's not specific to GrapheneOS)

Les autorités judiciaires tentent désormais de recenser le nombre de téléphones avec cette configuration utilisés par les trafiquants de drogue, selon la magistrate.

(Today, it's the drug dealers, tomorrow every French citizen who use GrapheneOS ?)

Xtreix

Folks, let's stay united and cool with each other.

M_2_Sade

NetRunner88
I suggest you take a look into the field of historiography, you might quickly discover that the cyclic reading of history comes from theology (from Zoroastrianism and other old beliefs) and has not rationalistic ground...

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