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gk7ncklxlts99w1 look for it yourself. I don't believe I have a handy URL
So, trust me bro? No thanks. Not gonna waste time for a FUD/Doomsday crap shared by someone who believes in anything they find on the internet without any real evidence.
Email security on GrapheneOS vs desktop (eg. Linux)
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It's no skin off my back if you don't believe it. If you're genuinely interested in the topic then I trust you'll find it yourself. I have a feeling you're not really interested in learning anything, you're just trying to be annoying and unnecessarily pedantic.
If you want to learn things, sometimes you have to do your own research. This is a forum, and I'm not your personal assistant.
gk7ncklxlts99w1 You've come to the point of what the discussion sometimes looks like: prove it, if not, it means you are wrong. The problem of knowledge: I would not be surprised if I read: Look around and prove to me that the Earth is not flat. If you do not do this, it means that you are wrong saying that it is not flat. You can answer in the same way: prove to me that I'm wrong, if you can't, it means you're wrong. This approach kills the whole discussion and brings it to a senseless quarrel. However, this is a note outside the topic of discussion.
You asked if the email on GOS is more safe than on Linux desktop. Yes, and this is due to the fact that Proton and Tuta use the entire safe environment offered by GOS (Vanadium WebView, hardened malloc, MTE etc.). Even if you use Brave on desktop and you think it is safe, this browser uses huge external libraries that are written in C/C++ and often have limited security so that other poorly written programs work (more) properly.
This, however, does not change the fact that you can safely use an email on desktop, but it requires awareness of what you do and what is risky. None of these safeguards will protect against stupidity.
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I believe that when I interact with people on an online forum, I have faith that they will speak in a way that is in accordance with the truth. I do not ask that they prove every claim they make, because that would imply I don't trust people enough to come up with their own conclusions. That attitude does not get you anywhere. If your threshold for determining what constitutes misinformation is so low that you distrust anything that doesn't reference peer reviewed research from a scientific journal, you won't make it very far and you won't learn much, and nobody will like you. As I said, this is a forum, not a research database or a judicial court, and I'm not obligated to do the research for you. If you are interested enough in the subject at hand then I trust you will find it for yourself, and I would love to hear back from you.
fid02 set a pretty good example of how to conduct yourself in a different thread. I luckily had a link bookmarked, and he responded to the article and criticised it for being too vague and citing various other articles. He didn't criticise me specifically, he just showed why the referenced article needed more work. And I asked him for his take, cause I also thought it was vague. Neither he nor I am obligated to cite anything, but I expect people will act in good faith, and where I want clarification, I will kindly ask for any sources they have. If not, I'll find it myself if I'm really interested. Here's the discussion: https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/21322-does-provider-get-unique-id-of-fido2-device/7
However I do acknowledge the challenge of what we're discussing but it extends beyond the scope of this post. How verbose should we be? What sources should we trust, and how thoroughly do we examine others' claims without stifling discussion (I'll say that again: without stifling discussion)? And perhaps most importantly, do we trust that others will speak truthfully, especially in the absence of a consensus? It's a complex problem, basically. I appreciate critical thinking but "prove it, if not, it means you are wrong" is silly.
other8026 locked the discussion .
I've removed a lot of off topic posts here that were starting to be confrontational and now the end of this thread has yet another confrontational feel to it. The original question was discussed and the topic had already moved on anyway, so I'm going to keep this thread locked.
Just a friendly reminder to please be polite to each other. If you need to get moderators' attention, please use the flag feature.