Thoughts on potential for AI Artificial Intelligence being built into mobile OS in the future?
With Apple announcing OpenAI will be added at an OS level is this something we should be concerned with on Android? Will Grapheneos be able to keep AI out of the operating system in future updates to Android?
GI1 What is your understanding that AI would do? Or which particular features would you use?
[deleted] it’s more the security and privacy concerns of an AI model like ChatGPT (owned by Microsoft with closed source code) having access to all of our data on our phones. It is not going to be 3 years. Apple is integrating this into their phones in the fall. I wonder if Android will follow.
Even Elon Musk has been showing concerns saying all his employees will be banned from using iPhones if ChatGPT is built in at the OS level.
I personally don’t want an AI going through all my data and sending to companies like Apple and Microsoft
GI1 What you envision isn't going to be a thing. Google is adding this stuff to the Stock OS. GrapheneOS uses AOSP. The AI stuff is a feature that Google is marketing the hell out of. What makes you think they'd add it to AOSP itself? It just doesn't make any sense.
Regardless, AI integration in the way you're envisioning it (some kind of assistant that's deeply intertwined into the OS and communicates with a third-party service in the cloud) is not going to be included in GrapheneOS.
matchboxbananasynergy Regardless, AI integration in the way you're envisioning it (some kind of assistant that's deeply intertwined into the OS and communicates with a third-party service in the cloud) is not going to be included in GrapheneOS.
Out of curiosity, would AI ever be integrated (even years in the future, which I know is obviously speculative and things can change) if it was purely local on device and optionally installed via Apps? Or I'm guessing it would just simply be to much of a burden and too outside of the project's scope to spend resources maintaining?
GI1 It’s more the security and privacy concerns of an AI model like ChatGPT (owned by Microsoft with closed source code) having access to all of our data on our phones. It is not going to be 3 years. Apple is integrating this into their phones in the fall.
Ok, so, 17% of phones, pretty easy to evade.
GI1 I wonder if Android will follow.
Regardless of what Google ships in their OS, as matchboxbananasynergy writes, it's not going to automagically show up in GrapheneOS.
de0u unless you use Google Play and all the things related
matchboxbananasynergy if AI is starting to be integrated into iOS, Windows 12, Mac and Google I could easily envision it being added to AOSP in the future. I am hoping they won’t, for me I would not want AI systems using my data especially closed source and bias AI projects like ChatGPT
de0u it would depends if AOSP project adds AI into the OS in the future. I hope they will hold off until we know more about how these new AI models will use our data. Something to think about. I know Google are considering adding Gemini to Android. Hopefully the open source AOSP will not do this at the OS level
GI1 If AI is starting to be integrated into iOS, Windows 12, Mac and Google I could easily envision it being added to AOSP in the future.
The difference between, on the one hand, iOS, macOS, Windows, and Google's Pixel OS, and, on the other hand, AOSP, is that the first group is proprietary closed-source operating systems, where as a user once you buy in the real decisions have been made and your choice is limited to picking among a few options chosen by somebody else.
That's just not how open-source projects work. If somebody -- Google, or, even hypothetically, the GrapheneOS developers, puts something in GrapheneOS that you don't like, you have the power to take it out. Since everybody has the power to take it out, even if you personally are not a coder, or are too busy, as long as a small number of cooperative people, even scattered across the planet, want to take it out, it will be taken out.
There will be some costs. One might give up access to Google's NFC payment merchant network. One might not have Android Auto. One might not have the fastest GPU, or access to every game. But if one's primary overarching goal, which is worth giving things up for, is an AI-free phone, and there are other people who share that goal, I think that will remain achievable for some time.
AI isn't going to force its way into your phone. At some point you might need to choose to have access to fewer games, or choose to accept GPS navigation without real-time traffic data, or choose to accept a two-year-old phone instead of this year's model, or even, perhaps, choose to have B-grade hardware security instead of A+, in order to get a phone without "integrated" AI controlled by a company you distrust. But if it ever happens that you are forced to buy an AI phone, it will not be soon.
Instead of expressing fears about corporate AI to people who have already chosen to distance themselves from corporate control (i.e., everybody on this forum), it is arguably more productive to show people who are still bought into corporate control how great GrapheneOS is.
