Signal vs Molly vs Molly-FOSS

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Pocketstar no stress my friend. Hopefully someone else can let us know :)

faxe

[deleted] Yes, your Signal notifications can't be read, no matter which signal (or molly) version you use since the encrypted notification content is always pulled from signal server directly and decrypted on device from the signal app.

other8026

Signal basically sends "empty" notifications to FCM, so Google can't read the messages. When your phone receives a notification for Signal/Molly, the app is woken up, it fetches data from Signal's servers, then displays the notification.

And remember that Signal/Molly messages are end to end encrypted. Even if there were a 3rd party that could intercept messages, they wouldn't be able to read them.

The way Signal's WebSocket push notifications feature works (as far as I can tell looking at the server code very fast) is Signal/Molly just connect directly to Signal's servers and maintains that connection so it can get messages as soon as they're available.

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other8026 thanks heaps for confirming this! You're a legend!

rufus

Again battery problems with Molly-FOSS and Websocket Services.
-on WiFI power consumption is very good with <1% battery drainage
-on Mobile 5G it takes >60/70%

I have a P7a with latest stable GOS.
Is there something I can do?
(for now I switched to 4G to see if there is a difference, but I`m affraid it is not that easy to resolve)

Cant understand why battery drainage is again and again and again such a huge problem with this app.
As I tested the UnifiedPush Version a year ago, it didn`t lower consumption, so I changed to FOSS again.

treenutz68

rufus

Wow, 60/70% is crazy. I've also seen high numbers with Molly-FOSS, but closer to 20%. I'm honestly tempted to just bite the bullet and install play services to solve this problem, but trying so hard to resist until the IPC scopes feature is released.

rufus

with 4G it is a little bit less >50-60% :)

Dont have a glue if this is a android15, signal/molly or provider-problem.
GAPPS is not a solution for me. Perhaps I try MollyUp one more time.

treenutz68

rufus

Were you able to solve the problem? I don't know if uninstalling and reinstalling the app may help, lol

n2gwtl

I have been using Molly FOSS on P8P and battery drain is minimal for WiFi/4G/5G. Very impressed.

rufus

Still experimenting now with MollyUP. Cant say yet, if it is better. Yesterday id didnt look like.
Reinstalling the MollyFOSS will be the next step. (but how can this be the cause?)
I wonder, because since some time Molly was working good and without any problems, just until now.

rufus

Now on mobile 4G with MollyUP-FOSS its the same problem with the same waste of energy.
43%Molly, 32%ntfy, (and for example FailEmail 12%)
The device used about >15% of charge in 6h only with Molly and email in background listening if there are new messages, and there was only one message on Molly.

I`m helpless with this situation. But finally the fault is not specific on Molly or ntfy. There must be a general problem with WebSockets.

nanoq

rufus I have had the same problem with my 8a and at the moment my final solution is to deinstall Molly & Co. But it seems strange that some users do not have this problem and some have.

DeletedUser87

rufus I was on 5G almost all day and the usage from Molly (non-UP variant) is around 6% constantly. Do you run any VPN or custom DNS? It might help to monitor how many connections Molly makes with something like RethinkDNS.

rufus

Meanwhile I did uninstall MollyUP and reinstalled MollyFOSS with a few reboots in between.
Still the same on mobile data.
@DeletedUser87 No VPN but custom DNS. I will try with the providers DNS next and see.
And what if RethinkDNS discovers lots of Molly-connections? I´m not a software engeneer. :)
@nanoq what else if not signal/molly? next step would be to give up smartphones in general. ;)

DeletedUser87

rufus And what if RethinkDNS discovers lots of Molly-connections? I´m not a software engeneer. :)

Then you will have some data to compare to other users. There certainly shouldn't be a flood of connections; so when you see that, you know that something is wrong.
Try with the regular DNS first. Then we'll investigate further.

treenutz68

rufus

If it is any consolation, the Signal app on my business iPhone used 10% of my battery yesterday and I used it for one 5 minute call and to send 3 messages. I think the issue may be something beyond Molly/GrapheneOS.

One thing I remember another member posting was changing the battery settings from unrestricted to optimized. I believe they said notifications still continued to work fine for them and battery life improved. I haven't tried it myself as I wouldn't trust that notifications would come through, but perhaps its worth you trying it if you've exhausted other options.

rufus

Tested over night with regular DNS and MollyFOSS connected with 5G. No changes!
Battery usage is about 3% per hour and up to 80% of that is Molly. (FairEmail is 1-10%)
That seems to be enought to say that something is wrong with it.

Perhaps a "privat space" with Signal and Play Services would be more efficient, but not what I want.

@DeletedUser87 thanks for your help!

DeletedUser87

rufus unlucky. I'm kinda out of ideas too. I can only imagine something wrong with the app settings... I've heard that it's supposed to be a battery hog for some, but never seen it myself. I hope someone else has an idea.

rufus

treenutz68 One thing I remember another member posting was changing the battery settings from unrestricted to optimized. I believe they said notifications still continued to work fine for them and battery life improved. I haven't tried it myself as I wouldn't trust that notifications would come through, but perhaps its worth you trying it if you've exhausted other options.

Notifications definitely do not work if the app is not allowed to run in background. This must be a wrong information.

Meanwhile I gaved up and hope it gets fixed somehow in the future.

rufus

Spending about 10% battery for one day on mobile data is what I only can dream about.
"Only one call...." but you forget the hole time where Signal is up to check for incomming messages.
(For comparison, in my situation I do spend 75% of battery for 24h with Molly at mobile data.)

treenutz68

rufus

Well, that was on my iPhone. The notifications are centralized through apple's encrypted notification system AFAIK, so signal is not maintaining a constant connection for incoming. Similar to how if you have google play services installed on graphene.

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