APN Type problem causing me to uninstall Graphene OS

RAH

de0u The APN cannot be edited. I have used several manual methods and it simply cannot be done. The security of GOS will not allow it. That is the simplest explanation. It's rather complicated.

de0u

RAH The APN cannot be edited. I have used several manual methods and it simply cannot be done. The security of GOS will not allow it. That is the simplest explanation. It's rather complicated.

I am aware of two open APN editor issues: Issue #3082 and Issue #5991. If the situation with Pure Talk is either of those, that might be worth knowing; if the situation with Pure Talk is something else, that might be worth knowing as well. But "the security of GOS will not allow it" is probably not actionable. If further information is available, perhaps at some point somebody working on the APN editor code might be able to improve things for Pure Talk users, but that is less likely if no information is available, because it might be impractical for a developer to obtain a Pure Talk SIM card.

GrouchyGrape

RAH My understanding is that this is because AT&T is very particular about IMS configuration

I use an AT&T MVNO and there are spaces in my APN type, everything functions as expected.

RAH The APN cannot be edited.

Maybe you can't edit it, but you can create a new one and use that instead.

RAH I would post something from ChaptGPT,

I highly recommend you not listen to anything ChatGPT says. The only way I've found any LLM to be useful is to have a paid, advanced model, heavily train it on how to respond to queries (trying to reduce hallucinations), then still throw out about 35% of what it says. It's insanely good at sounding like it knows what it's talking about, and sometimes it does, but too much of the time it doesn't and it'll only cause confusion and frustration.

RAH

de0u My understanding is that this is because AT&T is very particular about IMS configuration. I would post something from ChaptGPT, but I'm not allowed, for whatever reason that is. The folks who run this forum don't seem to like it. AT&T relies on carrier-specific IMS configuration that enable MMS to work. GOS apparently does not support these "Carrier configs" because of AOSP. Because of this, MMS provisioning does not work well with GOS and AT&T.

My choices are to change carriers, preferably a T-Mobile based MVNO instead of AT&T, or uninstall GOS. GOS works better on the T-Mobile network, so it seems.

de0u

RAH I would post something from ChaptGPT, but I'm not allowed, for whatever reason that is. The folks who run this forum don't seem to like it.

I believe the reasoning has been explained. Here, for example: https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/28131-text-messaging-down-across-all-android-apps/27

de0u

RAH AT&T relies on carrier-specific IMS configuration that enable MMS to work. GOS apparently does not support these "Carrier configs" because of AOSP. Because of this, MMS provisioning does not work well with GOS and AT&T.

Somebody working for Pure Talk may have told you that, but that doesn't mean it's accurate. As I understand it, there are many GrapheneOS users using AT&T. Here is the first relevant thread I came across: https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/27688-sim-card-stopped-working-pixel-8-pro

RAH My choices are to change carriers, preferably a T-Mobile based MVNO instead of AT&T, or uninstall GOS. GOS works better on the T-Mobile network, so it seems.

I think GrapheneOS works well on Verizon and AT&T as well. It might not work well on Pure Talk at present if there is an unusual APN Type issue.

Ilgar

GrouchyGrape The only way I've found any LLM to be useful is to have a paid, advanced model, heavily train it on how to respond to queries (trying to reduce hallucinations), then still throw out about 35% of what it says. It's insanely good at sounding like it knows what it's talking about, and sometimes it does, but too much of the time it doesn't and it'll only cause confusion and frustration.

absolutely! and it has no responsibility because of disclaimer "can make mistakes". and actually adversary can misslead target

userofgos

RAH I think you have clearly misinterpreted the issues at hand here. It seems to me, and others here, that the major issues you are facing are the fault of your Carrier, not GrapheneOS.

RAH I cannot post pictures now on social media

Did you grant the media/storage scopes or camera permission to those apps? With GrapheneOS you have to grant specific permissions for apps to access certain information.

What social media apps are you having issues with? What permissions do they have right now?

RAH I bought a google pixel because I wanted a better more secure operating system, but that simply isn't GrapheneOS.

Not sure how you come to this conclusion. How did GrapheneOS make your device less secure?

Novalissoide

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RAH

userofgos GrapheneOS will not permit me to do the things I've mentioned above. The phone is brand new. The carrier, Pure Talk, an AT&T MVNO shouldn't have issues. If Graphene isn't the problem, I would have to believe that this brand new Google PixelA is defective. I tend to doubt that. I've granted every permission possible. The problem is seems is the APN type needs to read: default,supl,mms. GrapheneOS only allows: default, mms, supl. Notice the spaces. This is what will not allow me to receive messages, at least, from the best sources I can find. I've been researching and trying to trouble shoot this problem for weeks. Clearly, this is a GrapheneOS issue.

I have been told several times by many here that AT&T MVNO's are perfectly fine to use with GrapheneOS. It seems that is not the case. If you're saying this is a carrier issue, you would be incorrect. If they were and I changed carriers, and the issues persisted, what then would you say would be the cause of these problems?

Regarding permissions, all permissions have been granted. I may not be a tech savvy as some of the folks in here, but I'm savvy enough to know how to use Android. I've been using it for almost 20 years, and I've never been an IPhone user.

Ilgar

maybe try different carrier first, before calling it failed experiment?

RAH

Ilgar What carrier do you use? I do not like spending ridiculous amounts of money on a monthly basis for talk, text, and 5 gigs of data. It seems T-Mobile MVNO's are the best. AT&T has issues. This issue with group messaging with GOS on AT&T is reported in many places. I would think GrapheneOS would try to do something to fix or correct it. If the APN needs to be edited, let users edit it. As of right now, users of GOS cannot edit the APN type.

userofgos

RAH The problem is seems is the APN type needs to read: default,supl,mms. GrapheneOS only allows: default, mms, supl. Notice the spaces. This is what will not allow me to receive messages, at least, from the best sources I can find.

This is not the case and was already proven incorrect here: https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/28244-apn-type-problem-causing-me-to-uninstall-graphene-os/2

The space characters in the APN string don't matter. When GrapheneOS reads the string, it removes the spaces. The code calls trim() on each APN type: https://github.com/GrapheneOS/platform_packages_apps_Settings/blob/16-qpr1/src/com/android/settings/network/apn/ApnTypes.kt#L55.

Ilgar

RAH oh, sorry, I don't share my personal info online. and I don't use googles rcs, because I don't rely on closed source ee2e messaging. the only thing I can suggest is to try provider that works for others for your particular task. if I were you and that new provider won't solve problem, before returning to original pixel firmware, I'd reinstall grapheneos.

Norman

As someone who had issues when I got a new SIM with my provider, I also thought it was GrapheneOS acting up.
Ultimately it was my provider's technical support that did a reset on their end that fixed my issues. It was an issue on the provider's side, not grapheneOS.

From what I understand GOS uses the same carrier settings as AOSP, which is used by many other versions of Android. I think it is therefore very unlikely the issue lies with GOS and rather with your carrier.

Carriers are also likely to blame a custom operating system by default as service staff will not have documentation on any nonstandard OS, regardless of it being an issue with the OS or not.

The other issues with posting images and connecting via USB, I'm sorry, are almost guaranteed to be entitely user error.
If you spend a little bit of time looking into the usage guide for GrapheneOS you would know how to perform these basic tasks. GOS by default applies security settings which can require some slight tweaking for certain activities.

Clearly you seem to be either focused on trolling people and wasting their time, or refusing to listen to people's advice or comments because of pure arrogance in your singleminded focus on blaming the OS.

I reply here not for you, since its clear you don't seem to read what others have written, but for others who might stumble upon this thread.

RAH

Norman Well Norman, your comment presumes you have not read any of my previous comments. It shows your response was in some form of anger or emotion distraught because I said things that you don't like and you couldn't handle reading what I said without responding. It would be far better for you if you read what others say before responding. It's a lesson I learned very early in life.

Your understanding is less than mine on this subject. You have not been on this forum as long as I have. I have researched GOS and other android-based operating systems for well over a year before I joined this forum as a member. I would venture to say that my understanding of these issues and GOS is a bit higher than yours. While you're minimally correct that carriers do blame GOS, my carrier Pure Talk is a perfectly fine and functioning carrier that services hundreds of thousands of other Americans. The issue lies in the provisioning of IMS for AT&T MVNO's and the APN type which GOS will not allowed to be edited. I have researched this issue for roughly 5-6 hours of my life. With respect, I know about it than you do. No other explanation makes sense after six hours of hard research across dozens of resources. You think ChatGPT is so horrible, yet between that, reddit, and other online resources, I've learned more about this issue than from anyone in this forum.

Regarding file transfer, the system refuses to allow me to switch to let my computer have control. I have already consulted the usage guide, there is no information there to help me. I'm in my 30's and have been using android my entire life, nearly 20 years. I suspect you're a former IPhone user who recently became acquainted with Android.

Please do me a favor, don't respond. You have nothing more to contribute to this conversation. Work on your etiquette and manners.

GrouchyGrape

RAH Clearly Graphene simply doesn't operate on Pixel or with Pure Talk or any AT&T MVNO. End of story.

I love this. Contrary to all evidence pointing to the opposite, you're drawing ridiculous conclusions. Sounds like you're still getting info from an AI chatbot...

Are you coming from an iPhone?

GrouchyGrape

RAH Please do me a favor, don't respond. You have nothing more to contribute to this conversation. Work on your etiquette and manners.

We're the children? If you want to ignore valid advice and help, that's on you. Good luck listening to ChatGPT instead. I'm telling you, it's lying to you and you're eating it up like free candy.

RAH You guys will never have any success promoting GOS

Thankfully, I don't have to promote GOS, it does all the talking itself. You're allowing misinformation to completely blind and mislead you. If you could take two seconds to see past that, you would realize you're not even addressing any of the genuine non-hallucinating human-derived advice you've received.

JJ1992

I am using U.S. Mobile using AT&T they call it (dark star) have no problems last 4 months, had Mint for 2 years never an issue & had T-Mobile for other line no problems there either. Sorry had 1 issue my premium plan wouldn't go into 5G not at first (I use LTE Only) so I had it in LTE for about 3 months when tried to put it to 5G wouldn't do anything just stayed LTE. SO I put (##4636##) dialing into phone and you will see everything I had the same plan on my other Graphene OS pixel & it would go to 5G/LTE, so I compared the items from the ##4636## thing and they had the 5G Restricted & something else something NSA needs to be say true . Guy at US Mobile didn't know BUT because I had the right settings on 1 I had to walk him through it, then he finally got it & I have had ZERO ISSUES NONE ZERO since. And it u want cheap plans look them up & you can use T-Mobile or Verizon or AT&T. They call them Dark Star for AT&T/ Warp for Verizon/light speed for T-Mobile. Check them out.