GrapheneOS moving away from Linux

KCne

I wouldn't be able to continue this discussion without going even more off topic, so I'm making another topic

argante Move away, but where? To MINIX, seL4, Redox?

This post from @final has some points that may be of interest to you:

Two new innovations I like to bring up time and time again:
https://xous.dev/
https://www.redox-os.org/

argante Almost a decade has passed, and what? Nothing. We're still using Linux

Our roadmap page was updated to reflect our approach better.

The initial phase for the long-term roadmap of moving away from the current foundation will be to deploy and integrate pKVM and CrosVM, reinforcing existing security boundaries. The Android Open Source Project has been making significant progress on this front, so our next milestone is to securely deploy Android apps using this virtualization setup.

You'll be able to see a lot of this progress after Android QPR1 releases on GrapheneOS

23Sha-ger

KCne
This is not moving away from Linux. Android is still Linux.
Using namespaces and pKVM is just virtualization. You
can then run whatever you want as guest.

If the amount of RAM, vRAM, and disk is enough is a totally
different thing. But yes, you can run a guest VM. Better than
nothing.

userofgos

KCne when I first joined the forum I remember reading these threads. They didn't get much traction, but it seems that this topic comes up every now and then.

Dumdum

KCne
Would be better to use the paragraph before that one:

Achieving the goals requires moving away from relying on the Linux kernel as the core of the OS and foundation of the security model. It needs to move towards a microkernel-based model with a Linux compatibility layer, with many stepping stones leading towards that goal including adopting virtualization-based isolation.

argante

KCne This post from @final has some points that may be of interest to you:

See the last paragraph in my comment. I've thought so before. However, I think such a change will take years. It might be easier to do this on GOS than on AOSP (replacing Linux). It's a big business risk for Google to change Android so drastically. Virtualization seems like a good compromise (for Google). Also, let's not forget the rumors about a Google laptop (Pixel Snowy). I think this laptop might not be released, as Google often abandons projects (Pixel Tablet) and might opt for Samsung DeX on a Pixel phone instead.

KCne

23Sha-ger This is not moving away from Linux

Yeah, I misinterpreted your "nothing" comment as saying there is has been no meaningful progress in GrapheneOS's plans.

de0u

argante However, I think such a change will take years.

That seems pretty clear.