Private and secure usage of smart watch / fitnesstracker

groove_untie145

de0u Was that what we were originally referring to? This is not what most people mean when they say "smart watch." It's an edge case. Great suggestion!

Anon6095

groove_untie145 de0u Was that what we were originally referring to? This is not what most people mean when they say "smart watch." It's an edge case. Great suggestion!

groove_untie145 LeslieFH

Okay you're using an edge case. That's like saying cars don't require gas because electric vehicles exist. When people say 'smart watch,' they mean the products 99% of users actually buy and use not obscure open-source hardware with deliberately crippled connectivity. The fact that you need to specify exotic edge cases actually proves my point about the category.

This entire thread is resolving about this edge case from the beginning:

Anon6095 I only want to use either use gadget bridge or the native app but without network permission, besides maybe an initial firmware update.

LeslieFH

groove_untie145 I'm using a fitness tracker with an app (Notify & Fitness) with no Internet access permission, everything is collected and stored locally. Objectively, no "others" are collecting data about me, this is a fact.

groove_untie145

LeslieFH

Okay you're using an edge case. That's like saying cars don't require gas because electric vehicles exist. When people say 'smart watch,' they mean the products 99% of users actually buy and use not obscure open-source hardware with deliberately crippled connectivity. The fact that you need to specify exotic edge cases actually proves my point about the category.

mmmm

groove_untie145 to be fair you said it was 'categorically not up for debate'. The other posters simply proved that it was in fact, up for debate. GrapheneOS itself is pretty edge case in the grand scheme of things. Why wouldn't a GrapheneOS user go for a similar edge case in their smart watch choices?

02673853

groove_untie145 obscure open-source hardware

Sound like an oxymoron

groove_untie145 deliberately crippled connectivity.

What do you mean by that?

Anon6095

groove_untie145 To be completely honest being privacy conscious & getting a device that tracks your sleep whereabouts, health information and other vital details about who you are, where you go and what you do.. Do not go hand in hand.

I would strongly suggest you reconsider this as an option and just opt for the NFC enabled physical debit or credit card you already have in your wallet. You can pay using that the same way you would with your watch.

When the data can't get out, where is the problem?
And the main reason I want the watch is not to replace debit/credit cards, but to do health tracking

02673853

groove_untie145 To be completely honest being privacy conscious & getting a device that tracks your sleep whereabouts, health information and other vital details about who you are, where you go and what you do.. Do not go hand in hand.

I would strongly suggest you reconsider this as an option and just opt for the NFC enabled physical debit or credit card you already have in your wallet. You can pay using that the same way you would with your watch.

Being privacy conscious and using a debit or credit card also doesn't go hand in hand.

mmmm

02673853 rubbish. Its entirely threat model dependent

groove_untie145

02673853 How do you get paid from your job? Monero? Cash? I don't really understand how you expect to live in the real world without a debit or a credit card. Who's to say it's not a prepaid one bought with a privacy preserving crypto method

02673853

mmmm Its maybe possible to wear a smartwatch without it exfiltrating personal data, but its per design not possible to use a debit or credit card without sharing data with at least the bank and depending on the bank also the store

mmmm

02673853 and by that logic one should not use a bank at all. Like I said, it's threat model dependant. I'm not sure many peoples threat model excludes the use of payment cards, but certainly not many exclude the use of a bank.

02673853

groove_untie145 How do you get paid from your job? Monero? Cash? I don't really understand how you expect to live in the real world without a debit or a credit card

That you receive your loan over the bank doesn't mean you need to spend it over the bank.

groove_untie145 Who's to say it's not a prepaid one bought with a privacy preserving crypto method

Not possible without KYC in msot places of the world.
At least every crypto prepaid card I know requires KYC

02673853

mmmm 02673853 and by that logic one should not use a bank at all. Like I said, it's threat model dependant. I'm not sure many peoples threat model excludes the use of payment cards, but certainly not many exclude the use of a bank.

Their isn't relly away around having a bank account in our society, but their are many ways arround paying anything with them

thmf

02673853 Not possible without KYC in msot places of the world.
At least every crypto prepaid card I know requires KYC

Are you sure?

02673853

thmf 02673853 Not possible without KYC in msot places of the world.
At least every crypto prepaid card I know requires KYC

Are you sure?

The cards are extremely expensive with fees up to +80% on topup fee,
The site looks very cheap and unprofessional with incomplete sentences.
The payment process is also not so great and they
only offer none private payment methods like on chain transactions. The offer no Monero and no Bitcoin over Lightning.

missing-root

Works very well with bluetooth-only watches

Note that the watch itself may not allow disabling bt so you have a persistent identifier you carry around

DeletedUser495

02673853 you are not wrong, but oh my English and I am not a native. We all have a thing or two to learn.

thmf

02673853 Still possible to use it if really needed. Never tried them, but theoretically one can swap Monero for whatever they accept as a payment and buy a card from them.
Sure it's a lot of overhead, both time and money wise, but it still can be used for non KYC payment. And yes, the website does look like complete shit, no argument there :)

02673853

thmf 02673853 Still possible to use it if really needed. Never tried them, but theoretically one can swap Monero for whatever they accept as a payment and buy a card from them.
Sure it's a lot of overhead, both time and money wise, but it still can be used for non KYC payment. And yes, the website does look like complete shit, no argument there :)

Ok, so if this site isn't a scam then I give you the point that its possible to get debit/credit cards without KYC :)

thmf but theoretically one can swap Monero for whatever they accept as a payment and buy a card from them.

Maybe the have regulatory trouble with Monero or whatever but I think if they charge all the fees and cause this overhead with the only benefit of privacy compared to KYC competition, they should at least offer Bitcoin over Lightning which has ony benefits compared to On chain for such payment, especially in regards to privacy.

Anon6095

Sylens TranceSeven Yes, that works trivially. Just open the activities in Gadgetbridge, and either share it from the overview of all activities by longpressing it and picking share, or continue and open an activity, which includes a map btw (well, a path, but if you choose to download some maps for offline use, it gets overlayed on that), and then share from there.

I use the tracking and overviews provided in GadgetBridge, but yeah, sharing it to other apps works well. I tried it with CoMaps, for instanc

What file formats are in use for this?

Sylens

Anon6095 Don't know for which part you are referring to, but the sharing is gpx, and I forgot what the file format was for the maps, but I believe they redirect you to a website to download what part of the world you want.

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