Eu revives chat control, ways to navigate it if this happens?

ryrona

grayway2 However I remember this news from Google : https://www.businessinsider.com/google-reported-dad-police-photos-sick-sons-penis-child-abuse-2022-8?op=1

Police investigation showed man's innonce. Despite this, Google deleted his entire account and his Google Fi mobile plan was cancelled.

Oh, maybe I am mixing it up. Was it Google? I withdraw my statement Apple is scanning iCloud.

Franckienogotobollywood

We swim in full psychosis in this discussion thread. Is Europe totalitarian like China? Have you heard of refugees going to China or North Korea to build a peaceful life? Get a little out of your home or your caves and discover the world.

Graphene1

Franckienogotobollywood when the EU introduce chat control, CBDCs, Digital IDs, at what point do you say no, you've taken too many of my freedoms?

Freedom isn't a guarantee, it's something you fight for or it will be taken away.

Not sure why you would believe seeing more of the world would make you complacent to the early stages of government overreach. Most Europeans have seen much of the world.

Refugees have nothing to do with the conversation.

LGgos

People are nervous about this kind of thing for a couple of reasons

One being that these regimes don't just pop up overnight, they get that way gradually, one step at a time, pushing each step as reasonable and proportionate and teaching you to care less and less about your freedom as you hand it over bit by bit over a number of years.

The other being that well, there are indeed actual living people in China who use smartphones and rely on things like GOS to reduce the risk of flying a bit of free speech under the radar - so it's probably not helpful for them for us to be normalising mass surveillance either.

Franckienogotobollywood

Graphene1 The chat control was not introduced.

Eirikr70

Franckienogotobollywood Do you have a link ?

Franckienogotobollywood

Eirikr70 There is no link, it was not voted on. One day it may be voted on, and in this case the users who use GrapheneOS will not be concerned.

Seven-of-nine

In case this client side scanning will come: How to prevent Graphene OS from updating and keep the last version without client side scanning on the device?

ryrona

Seven-of-nine In case this client side scanning will come: How to prevent Graphene OS from updating and keep the last version without client side scanning on the device?

It won't be part of GrapheneOS either way. GrapheneOS does not include any end-to-end encrypted chat app or other end-to-end encrypted cloud functionality, so will not legally have to implement anything. GrapheneOS is entirely out-of-scope for the proposed law. It will only affect end-to-end encrypted chat apps you install yourself.

DeletedUser396

so anyone here heard of OnionShare?

I have just encrypted a file with 4096bit courtesy of Kleopatra or seahorse (yes Linux)
I open up onion share and drop that file into it.
I follow the simple to click steps and share the file on an encrypted web page.
I send you half the web address using signal.
you affirm receipt via session.
I send you the encryption key via briar
you affirm receipt via simpleX
I send the second half of the web address via whatapp
you open the file.
you and I abide by the ssbswr protocol Signal, Session, Briar, SimpleX, Whatsapp, then Read
so how does the EU chat control garbage stop me substituting a legitimate company sensitive file with employee details within, to evil as shit CSAM?
its not about CMAS, its about them being able to monitor you.
If they frighten you enough using CMAS, perhaps the population will go along with it. (slice one, of Salami politics)

Eirikr70

Franckienogotobollywood Anyway I'm not worried that EU may impose backdoors. I don't believe that they ever will find a majority for that. As for client-side control, I wouldn't be so sure that they won't do it, since it appears a rather balanced way to fight criminality with a limited impact on privacy.

Franckienogotobollywood

Don't worry about chat control, they won't implement client-side analysis tools, I think that, as usual, our politicians shake us a huge thing for everyone to watch, and in the end they will remove it from the text to put something smaller but very rotten. It's always like that. For our pensions it is exactly the same thing: in the end we will not retire at 67 but at 64 to avoid demonstrations on the other hand in very discreet ways retirees will be more taxed, fewer things are less reimbursed etc...

Benjamasu

secrec Is Canada the country that bans moo-moo raw milk? I believe farmers there are also forced to pour "excess" milk down the drain. That's insane.

de0u

Benjamasu Is Canada the country that bans moo-moo raw milk?

There is already a moderator post in this thread that addresses this sort of question: other8026. This is a GrapheneOS forum, not a raw-milk forum, and the topic of this thread is a proposed EU regulation on client-side chat scanning.

secrec

Benjamasu I'm not a calf, so I wouldn't know 🤷‍♂️

Eirikr70

de0u I like raw milk /s

Franckienogotobollywood

Eirikr70 I'm thinking of something smaller than customer-side analysis.

Eirikr70

Franckienogotobollywood Can you be more specific or do we have to guess?

Pocketstar

My suspicion is that they can only implement this law on people who actively agree with it and signed up to it, I imagine that happens when people sign the terms and agreements upon starting the chat app, otherwise a warrant and a good dose of suspicion is still needed in order to peep into people's messages.
Most proprietairy apps would then become victim to this new law, but not some FOSS-based applications like Briar, Cwtch, SimpleX and possibly even Molly-FOSS. (Signal fork)
After all, people still have constitutional rights.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

However, considering Google might disallow such apps after Google's new policy takes place, or they will let developers sign the terms for all of their userbase instead.
I'm just speculating here though...

Van-de-GraaffeneOS

grayway2 Do you know how much people rely on apps from Meta (WhatsApp, Facebook messenger, instagram) or Telegram to communicate with the rest of the world ?

If those apps comply, anyone still using them will get what they bloody well deserve. If their choices boil down to...

privacy + temporary inconvenience
prison + familiarity

... and they choose #2, maybe they belong in prison. It's mass undisciplined consumerism that gives legislators the hubris to draft laws like this in the first place.

But hey, maybe prison won't be so bad for them! It'll be just like Whatsapp: Everyone they know is there. 🤣

DeletedUser433

Van-de-GraaffeneOS Many people require WhatsApp or some other type of messenger to hold a job or maintain their network. I'm not sure if you're implying that refusing to use Whatsapp when 100% of your clients, colleagues and employers do it is a temporary inconvenience, but it would help if you elaborated a little on that

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