Dead OS?

2WsF

matchboxbananasynergy starting with the messaging app which has already had an under-the-hood overhaul.

Does that mean it'll be able to support rcs messages?

AccJustForThat

matchboxbananasynergy thank you for taking time. I have to read carefully and recheck some hints you gave. I wasnt too long on stock OS. But now for 1 year heavy usage GrapheneOS. It always feeld a bit stiff, but worked out great with innovating features.

The screen recordings already worked good in the past. Today 3/5 recordings are stuck at the begin for some sec. Mostly I record short 5-20sec clips from YouTube app.

The sound-bug was weird to me. It wasn't direct mono, but some kind of noise-cancel on the bottom speaker. Idk like he tries to correct the sound or thinks I'am calling. But this changed multiple times while watching VLC, YouTube, or live TV. The Sound becomes unstable, because for a moment both speaker had a different loudness. This bug was once, and gone since reboot.

One thing that is definitely a bit broken is the "extra dim" sometimes not turning back to normal. Then "Night Light" is needed to reset the dim.

You caught me a bit offguard to be honest, I will start following the changelog more frequent. In the past, the cases of weird behavior just stacked, so I had the feeling the project starts crumbling.

Definitely under observation, and testing the stock OS to be sure.

DeletedUser379

Clickbait title. You should try to read the release notes.

AccJustForThat

DeletedUser379 What is security without usability is the question.

I like the OS and the philosophy. But in the last time my phone makes update after update, and it feels like the usability gets worse. A phone that cannot be used is secure, but cannot be used ;D

HMC

AccJustForThat Huh? I am for one very happy with bare bones.

There is always the default Google OS if you don't like it.

Graphene1

AccJustForThat if you want the full PixelOS experience why don't you use PixelOS?

As others have said read the change logs. The project isnt anywhere near dead, what a crazy comment to make after the team have just released A16 with all of the recent challenges.

Murcielago

Gallery still crap, can't delete albums.

Ok, the gallery app maybe won't win design awards. But it works reliably in my experience. I only recently found out that you can even trim videos with it.

The nice thing is that there are many good alternatives that you can install - there's something to suit every taste. Here in the forum the following gallery alternatives are often mentioned, maybe you want to give them a try:

Aves, Fossify Gallery, Gallery, Ente Photos and others (I have certainly forgotten some). You can also use Pixel Camera and Google Photos if you like.

I personally can recommend Aves Libre (available on Accrescent f.e.) and Gallery.

Screen Recordings are not shown in Gallery or Google Photo, and also the recordings hang for the first 3-5 secs in picture when playing.
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The screen recordings already worked good in the past. Today 3/5 recordings are stuck at the begin for some sec. Mostly I record short 5-20sec clips from YouTube app.

Strange. I use Screen Recording regularly and it works fine for me - the videos are saved under your device> Movies.

I have also tried to reproduce the bugs you described. Screen recording of YouTube videos does not cause any problems in my case - neither in image nor in audio (i recorded several clips up to 7min., 720p - 2160p, Pixel 9 Pro, version 2025062700, PipePipe version 4.5.0). Maybe it's a hardware issue, as matchboxbananasynergy already stated.

Many other Google Pixel features are still missing. That's pretty misfortune, because this OS is exactly for expensive pixel devices.

I think that explains the project's focus quite well:

GrapheneOS is a privacy and security focused mobile OS with Android app compatibility developed as a non-profit open source project.

source: https://grapheneos.org/

In addition, GOS offers - in my opinion - an astonishingly high level of functionality that is no much different from a standard OS. What features are you missing exactly, could you elaborate?

I need to reboot my device pretty often because of "Updates available" and a long period of "optimizing apps" but I don't know if anything is changed or improved at all.

So everyone looks at things differently - I'm always happy about updates because I think that (security) issues are being fixed and functionalities are being improved.

There is a reason why GrapheneOS takes a different aproach on "optimizing apps" which has the downside that optimization after reboot takes longer compared to standard Android:

GrapheneOS optimizes (compiles) apps at install time and app/OS update time. Standard Android does it dynamically in-memory while you use the app, which is a security weakness. It's listed in https://grapheneos.org/features#exploit-mitigations

Source and further information: https://nitter.poast.org/GrapheneOS/status/1845094724694073671

AccJustForThat

Murcielago but what Hardware issue causes a specific app not sync sound and picture while recording?

2/5 Videos I can record effortless. But the next ones are again 1-2sec stuck, or just have a slight offset in sound and picture. And pippipe isn't YouTube app ;D.
It completely sounds like a software timing issue to be honest.

Also sometimes when I download Videos via telegram, the normal gallery often isnt able to show the video properly. I always need to switch to Google photo.

AccJustForThat

Thread can be closed I guess.
Developer already answered, and now people just start shit talk to get social interaction.

Conclusion, grapheneos is definitely not finished, and in my opinion a focus on userapps wouldnt be bad. There was a time in the past, were all this already worked better.
I will keep the strange behavior under observation and test stockOS. But hardware is in a new good state.

DeletedUser379

AccJustForThat

I don't use screen recording so I don't know.
I never had a single problem with audio.
Charging to 80% is supported.
I am happy that many features are missing because I really don't want a lot of stuff that google puts on my smartphone and like to have control over it.
I think it's a very very good thing that graphene os is updated frequently.
I never had any problem with the touch slide gestures after updates.
I don't think that your device is fine.

AccJustForThat

DeletedUser379 why even reply when not getting the point?

Aha
Aha
Long long ago clarifyed
Aha never was the question
I never wrote that updates are bad, but they are frequent and the usability gets worse. Like after the "we comment a existing feature out of the gallery". So I just ask if more of such brain moves happen.
I stated that the chance that they occure rise after 200h+ runtime. And not after update.
All problems with the OS are fixed by simple reboot. And many small little hiccups definitely point to the OS or the underlying Android lol.
I think you can't read.

userofgos

AccJustForThat there's no need to be condescending. @DeletedUser379 seems to be trying to help by providing own thoughts, knowledge, and experience on some of the issues you are facing, just like the rest of us. Just because someone already answered one of your concerns, doesn't mean another shouldn't or can't respond to the same comment.

DeletedUser379 4. I am happy that many features are missing

AccJustForThat 4. Aha never was the question

It was literally one of your remarks in the OP:

AccJustForThat Many other Google Pixel features are still missing. That's pretty misfortune, because this OS is exactly for expensive pixel devices.

GrapheneOS is not a clone of Stock Google OS with security and privacy features added. GrapheneOS is a hardened open source fork of AOSP focused on security and privacy. There is a big difference, and AOSP is missing many UI/UX features from Stock as well as other common features.

DeletedUser379 5. I think it's a very very good thing that graphene os is updated frequently.

I never had any problem with the touch slide gestures after updates.

I don't think that your device is fine.

AccJustForThat 5. I never wrote that updates are bad, but they are frequent and the usability gets worse. Like after the "we comment a existing feature out of the gallery". So I just ask if more of such brain moves happen.

I stated that they occure after 200h+ runtime not after update.

I think you can't read.

Again, your not taking into account that @DeletedUser379 is sharing his thoughts and knowledge on the matter. I agree with him on #5 & #6 that consistent regular updated are beneficial and essential for security and privacy, and that I have yet to experience the same issues that you are - which is the exact point we are trying to make. To help narrow down by user input if any other user is facing the same issues you face, and I've so, how to solve it.

In your case, I have similar thoughts with @DeletedUser379 on #7 that we think the issue might be with your device (Pixel 8 pro). Potentially it could be a hardware issue.

matchboxbananasynergy This isn't at all normal - not just needing to reboot, but the "hiccups" you're talking about. I mentioned above that there might be hardware issues at play here, and this makes me thing that might be the case even more. Did you use the stock OS on that device at all, or did you flash GrapheneOS right away? If you used stock, how long did you use it for, and did you notice any issues on it?

Stewart

AccJustForThat How condescending, I don't think you know what GrapheneOS and its community are. All changes are scrupulously noted directly in the GOS Info application, for example.
GOS is a security- and privacy-oriented OS, and you're bringing up problems that seem to affect you alone. If "user-friendliness" is more important to you than security and privacy, go back to Android.

userofgos

AccJustForThat Also in regards to #6 about facing a lot of these issues after 200+ of phone runtime, I haven't yet reached that zone as I prefer to reboot around every 48-72 hours.

I'm not a tech expert regarding this but daily driving a phone for over 200+ hours without a reboot could potentially (again not an expert) cause issues since there have been a lot of operational tasks started/stopped, apps opened/closed, etc.

I'm at about 50+ hours runtime now, maybe I'll try and make it to 200 hours and see if I experience any of these issues.

DeletedUser379

AccJustForThat

I just wanted to share my own experience with this post. I don't have these problems, and I've come to the conclusion that there might be something wrong with your device.
I just don't know what you expect when you title your forum post "Dead OS." Frankly, I don't like the idea of using clickbait.
And yes, I can read. You just can't expect me to take you 100% seriously if you use the tactics mentioned above to get attention for your problem.
I still hope you get your problem resolved. I'm sorry if I've offended you.

wuseman

AccJustForThat
The default apps indeed leave a lot to be desired, but that's to be expected when they can easily be replaced in the span of 30 seconds and I'd imagine most people will do so no matter what the developers release. I'd suggest checking out the Fossify APPS + Quik SMS, they are pretty great.

As for the rest, well, I don't know what to say because I don't have those issues. I don't care about the stock "features" like AI and all that. I just want a phone that actually works, while making it harder for big tech to suck my data dry.

TGOS

I'm also caught between two stools at the current situation. A german youtuber made a very honest but also alarming video about it:
Is Android now closed source?

de0u

TGOS I expect much more information will be known when the Pixel 10 is released and then further information is likely to become available over the next year or so (e.g., depending on the legal case for Google in the U.S.).

Meanwhile used Pixels have reasonable resale value, so the financial risk of trying something from the 9 series may not be gigantic.

Obviously it would be better if it were easier to predict the future, but this is a low-confidence time.

Mystified3527

AccJustForThat Many other Google Pixel features are still missing. That's pretty misfortune, because this OS is exactly for expensive pixel devices.

A some of the features Google advertises are implemented through Google apps and services, can you please clarify what features you are referring to? It is possible that Google calls it an "Android" feature but has an app like Google lens working behind the scenes.

Also, do you happen to have developer options enabled? Some of then can cause weird or buggy behavior (hence why they are behind a hidden menu).

The extremely frequent updates are partially because android 16 was just released and brings new bugs. After some time, the update frequency will go back down.

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