secrec The proxy idea is interesting, but presumably it must still share a scan of SSID's, signal strengths, and location through to the destination server.

I think the client presents a list of SSIDs and Apple provides their locations. It is not clear why the client would provide relative signal strength information. Apple can infer a location to some extent, but presumably less well than the client.

secrec That potentially tells apple even more information than they would have with a direct connection, such as "there is a grapheneos user at this location".

There are other options... Google's service... GNSS... waiting for the GrapheneOS client to support cell-site info...

      Reproach3656 It's normal for it to jump around. It's partly because it's currently using RSSI (signal strength) for distance estimation. It will get less jumpy when we add support for using Wi-Fi RTT (Round-Trip-Time) for distance estimation. Signal strength varies a lot and that means the estimated distances to Wi-Fi networks varies a lot which can impact the result a lot. Wi-Fi RTT and batching the requests more are the only planned major improvements to the Wi-Fi part of it in the near future. Cell tower fallback will be added, but that's separate from how it will usually work in most situations in a city. Making our own database for a non-proxy service and offline support are other major improvements planned for it.

        @GrapheneOS

        I still can not understand how new GrapheneOS feature works. I have enabled "Network Location - GrapheneOS Proxy" and allow Wi-Fi Scanning. But when i try Osmand it can not find my location (With Wi-Fi Off).

        Can you explain, please?

          Serg I still can not understand how new GrapheneOS feature works. I have enabled "Network Location - GrapheneOS Proxy" and allow Wi-Fi Scanning. But when i try Osmand it can not find my location (With Wi-Fi Off).

          You still need an active network connection for the Network location feature to be able to pull the data (WiFi access points) it needs to determine your location. If WiFi is off, then you need an active mobile data connection.

          In the future, when an offline database feature is shipped, it sounds like you won't need an active network connection to get a location fix without GNSS, but WiFi scanning will still be needed in that case. I think.

              Hi GOS team, when I restart my Pixel 7a I get an error message with G Play service

              type: crash
osVersion: google/lynx/lynx:15/BP1A.250305.019/2025032500:user/release-keys
package: com.google.android.gms:250934035, targetSdk 35
process: com.google.android.gms.persistent
processUptime: 1002 + 661 ms
installer: app.grapheneos.apps
GmsCompatConfig version: 154

java.lang.NullPointerException: Attempt to invoke virtual method 'void android.app.StatsManager.setBroadcastSubscriber(android.app.PendingIntent, long, long)' on a null object reference
	at com.google.android.gms.common.subscriber.AnomalyConfigIntentOperation.onHandleIntent(:com.google.android.gms@250934035@25.09.34 (260400-738842635):110)
	at com.google.android.chimera.IntentOperation.onHandleIntent(:com.google.android.gms@250934035@25.09.34 (260400-738842635):2)
	at aott.onHandleIntent(:com.google.android.gms@250934035@25.09.34 (260400-738842635):8)
	at sgs.run(:com.google.android.gms@250934035@25.09.34 (260400-738842635):70)
	at sgr.run(:com.google.android.gms@250934035@25.09.34 (260400-738842635):152)
	at fhby.run(:com.google.android.gms@250934035@25.09.34 (260400-738842635):21)
	at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1156)
	at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:651)
	at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:1119)

              interesting thing happened: after update finished but BEFORE reboot - suddenly most of the system interface switched to my second system language, which has never happened before.
              after reboot into the new version system interface reverted back to first system language (english)
              how? why? what??

                After updating to latest release my location is no longer working on both my pixel 8a and 9. I've not changed any settings since it was working. Is anyone else having this issue?

                  legendaryD on my pixel 8 its working (tested with google maps)

                  What settings do you have?

                  I have SUPL und PSDS grapheneOs proxy
                  and for location scanning all off (wifi scanning, bluetooth scanning, network scanning)

                      SIGSEGV suddenly most of the system interface switched to my second system language, which has never happened before.

                      Same, but it's not a regression for me, as it's happened several times in the past, and I'm not sure when exactly it happens. It might correlate with a system update but I'm not sure. Would likely take a lot of time to try to find a reliable way of reproducing it. It doesn't have anything to do with guest profiles as someone else stated in a different thread.

                          suddenly most of the system interface switched to my second system language, which has never happened before.

                          I noticed that this occurs when I disable Developer options. It's a reliable way to reproduce the bug for me. But not sure we're talking about the same bugs.

                          Sometimes difficult to ascertain whether or not something was caused by having Developer options enabled. Here's an example of a bug that triggers when the user disables Developer options. LOL.

                          I'm guessing that disabling Developer options somehow triggers a resort of the preferred system languages list, and that languages that do not have AOSP translations – but that are still selectable from the Settings UI as "non-system" languages – get downprioritized due to… some logic. It's probably refreshing that UI anyway because it needs to get rid of the pseudo-languages that are only displayed when Developer options are enabled. Anyway, seems pretty niche.

                          Edit: This is unlikely to be a regression, so kinda offtopic here.

                          Everything works fine here on my Pixel 6 without any Google stuff.

                          fid02 ah, good to know i was not hallucinating)
                          it took me a while to realize that something is different, then I was guessing if it was always like that)

                          i dont know what caused it for me - i've not touched developer settings