Firefox done?

guser39

gk7ncklxlts99w1 As long as Brave exists, we're not doing too bad.

Brave is just another Chromium derivative and not an alternative for people wanting less Google in their lives. They also have questionable management and design choices.

gk7ncklxlts99w1

guser39 It's a privacy focused browser. I think it is absolutely an alternative for people who want less Google, given that it has strong privacy protections in place, not just to protect from Google but any tracking company. Don't let the word "chromium" fool you into thinking it's somehow Google sponsored spyware. You're shooting yourself in the foot.

Every company has questionable management and design choices.

0xsigsev

gk7ncklxlts99w1 Qutebrowser

Is a good, but as you said a niche option, especially with it's keyboard centric usage. Those who use *nix systems and live in terminal probably know and use it, rest, not so much.

n3t_admin

argante those are some harsh accusations. Do you have a source that Brave is mining crypto on user machines?
TOR Browser isn't even built for privacy or security as their main goal, but anonymity. TOR doesn't prevent fingerprinting as an active measure, it just tries to keep the fingerprint non-unique which sort of works when all users keep the default settings.
Vanadium is also not the solution for these problems. It's built with security as the main focus and doesn't offer the privacy features (blocking fingerprinting) that you claim it does.

0xsigsev

n3t_admin TOR Browser isn't even built for privacy or security as their main goal, but anonymity

And that's the main point 99% of people who claim TOR is the solution don't get right... The Tor project and their tools have their place, but this is not an everyday use for all those "privacy concious" Jane Does thinking bundling VPN+Tor on top of socks5 proxy is the way to go...

But there's no discussion with certain people. Thou I agree brave is not a browser I'd use.. Even thou many seem to be recommending it.

0xsigsev

argante Just use Vanadium on your tablet as a main browser and forget about this whole browser circus.

Sure, will you buy me one?

argante

0xsigsev Try in a Pixels Developer mode option labeled as 'Force desktop mode' and use external monitor.

n3t_admin

argante

argante And what should we call this and that?

this has nothing to do with mining crypto, especially on user machines. It was about payments that were made to creators that didn't have BAT enabled/no way to collect the received BAT.

argante And they failed. Their entire anonymity is based on javascript blocking. But even that is no longer necessary to find an IP. This is just a small demonstration of what can be done with just CSS.

From the TOR project:

In the end, the approach chosen by Tor developers is simple: all Tor users should have the exact same fingerprint. No matter what device or operating system you are using, your browser fingerprint should be the same as any device running Tor

Their "entire anonymity" isn't just based on JS blocking. It's mostly based on blending in with the crowd.

argante This is not a correct statement. Vanadium blocks ads, but there are no settings to prevent the risk of unique fingerprinting.

I don't know what makes my statement "not correct" in this case. Blocking ads isn't a privacy feature.

0xsigsev

argante or I'd rather not follow some random's advice on how to use the internet, just because he claims there's dragons everywhere waiting around the corner.

0xsigsev

argante Your entire argument is that people who KNOW they need to use Tor browser will disable the js, this is wrong on so many levels.

Again you do not use it to browse Facebook and other shit riddles with js just to see cute cats pics.

fid02

argante What's more, about 22-23% of Tor nodes are set up by government agencies to de-anomize users.

I would like to read more about this claim and would be interested in a source.

fid02

What's more, about 22-23% of Tor nodes are set up by government agencies to de-anomize users.

argante https://blog.torproject.org/malicious-relays-health-tor-network/
https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2021/12/was-threat-actor-kax17-de-anonymizing-the-tor-network

There is no such claim in any of your sources. They are blog posts from 2021 that describe events in the past, not the present. The Malwarebytes article speculates briefly that the nodes were set up by state actors, but we can't be sure of that.

argante 22-23% is the general estimate that can be found

Found where? Who is doing the estimating, and how are they estimating that number? Forgive me, but it's quite a bold claim to be throwing around. It's fair to claim it if it's backed up by evidence. You seem sure about it so I would expect at least some tangible evidence to be presented.

router99

argante 5 1/2 year old complaints about Brave. Are they still issues today? As far as I can tell, Brave doesn't act as a miner, at least without user permission.

And TOR's "entire anonymity" does not only rely on disabling JavaScript. If that were the case, all anyone would have to do is disabled JavaScript on any browser they use. You are not being very intellectually honest.

user0

router99 I use canvas blocker in all browsers

router99

argante their VPN is also a scam.

Substantiate this

gk7ncklxlts99w1

router99

I think they're best to be ignored. Nothing this person says will be substantiated with evidence, they're all about being bombastic. It's people like this that give privacy a bad name.

zzz

From the official GOS account on Mastodon:

The only other browser [besides Vanadium] we can currently recommend is Brave. It preserves most of the security of mobile Chromium while adding more state partitioning, anti-fingerprinting and the most advanced content filtering engine. Vanadium is more secure but needs to catch up in those areas.

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111966180001152300

There are lots of reasons that some folks might dislike Brave.
Private company, runs an ad network, crypto, AI.
But there's no perfect browser out there. Brave is one of the least bad choices, per the GOS account:

If you rule out Brave then there's no mobile browser alternative to Chrome or Edge we can recommend due to lack of basic security.

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/113948398641752397

Also, about Firefox and variants:

Firefox doesn't have a basic content sandbox on Android, let alone site isolation, and it has a lot of other security deficiencies.

The browsers referring to themselves as hardened Firefox variants only harden privacy, not security, and in fact most bring more security issues.

This applies to the Tor Browser too.

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111969790767423663

locked

I tend to do a lot of browsing on vanadium, for security and privacy reasons. I don't think firefox is a secure browser. I stopped using it many years ago. When I do browse on my laptop, I use Brave. I hope to get the p10 fold, and that will decrease my laptop use even further.

96397605

argante

Mullvad is in Sweden, and their VPN is also a scam

Can you explain why you say their VPN is a scam or better yet, any sources?

grayway2

96397605 maybe because of this ?

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/we-will-not-walk-back-signal-would-rather-leave-the-uk-and-sweden-than-remove-encryption-protections

Sweden want to impose encryption backdoor. If passed, the legislation could also be a problem for Sweden based VPNs such as Mullvad.

In the worst case, they could force mullvad to log user activity. However, they will probably move to a new country like Swiss rather than shutdown or stay in Sweden (speculation)

grayway2

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/02/firefox-deletes-promise-to-never-sell-personal-data-asks-users-not-to-panic/

Mozilla may also receive location-related keywords from your search (such as when you search for "Boston") and share this with our partners to provide recommended and sponsored content. Where this occurs, Mozilla cannot associate the keyword search with an individual user once the search suggestion has been served and partners are never able to associate search suggestions with an individual user. You can remove this functionality at any time by turning off Sponsored Suggestions—more information on how to do this is available in the relevant Firefox Support page.

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