Welcome to the GrapheneOS discussion forum!

matchboxbananasynergy

Looks great!

thomaz

Heyo!

compilomatic

Grüezi (hi)

Galt007

Hola everyone

Getting ready to go home from my first business trip since Feb 2020. Was iOS then am GOS now. Everything worked perfectly!

akc3n

Galt007 Safe travels! Thanks for joining our new forum.

Gabe

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Gabe say hi to gabe

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[deleted] hi gabe

amolith

retired-mod-account

[deleted] hi gabe

omori

poggors

akc3n

Absolutely loving the look and feel of this forum! Simple, elegant, minimalistic, and just feels naturally easy to use.

Loads quick and action response time is instant.

Thank you @GrapheneOS for your consideration and implementation of a non-bloated forum for the users - making that the cherry on top of it all🍒 imho

Wonderfall

Yeah, I'm glad you guys went with Flarum. It feels much less clunky than other alternatives. But never forget, PHP is cringe.

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Wonderfall We will implement hardening where possible for it and avoid bloating the entire thing up with extensions unless they're high quality and actually benefit the user experience.

strcat

Wonderfall Unfortunately almost every available option for forum software is written in PHP. We specifically tried to find something that wasn't but they're mostly proof of concept hobby projects that are already abandoned. Flarum is at least a much more modern take on PHP using Symfony.

Lemmy is a mix of node.js + Rust but a Reddit clone wasn't what we wanted and it has some issues itself. Discourse is a huge Ruby on Rails application which is arguably much worse than a relatively small PHP Symfony project. Discourse is very slow/bloated with a lot of weird design decisions and functionality we don't want. If we wanted a Reddit clone, we could have gone with Lemmy, but it's just not a good fit.

Aside from being PHP, it's unfortunate Flarum doesn't support PostgreSQL but I don't really mind using MariaDB for this. The options with PostgreSQL support aren't very good and avoiding having to maintain 2 kinds of database servers really isn't worth choosing software providing a significantly worse experience.

akc3n

Wonderfall
You know what they say,

If you're not first, you're last

Ricky Bobby

nrt

Hello

akc3n

nrt Hey there! Nice to see ya!

Wonderfall

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strcat Yeah all things considered this doesn't seem worse than a bloated RoR/node.js alternative. And the UX is just so nice by default, which is what users want.

I also prefer this over a federated solution like Lemmy, which has reddit-style threads but I'm not even sure that would've been preferable.

(Trying to answer to two different messages in one single message doesn't seem too bad.)

JTL

strcat Nice to see this is a thing.

I also looked into existing forum software for a (now defunct) project a number of years ago and did not come back impressed with the existing options. phpBB for instance likes to use a "databse abstraction layer" which is mainly just syntactic sugar around the legacy mysql/mysqli modules and if I remember correctly it involved SQL queries constructed using an aggressive amount of string interpolation and escaping. In theory it is possible using this to produce queries involving user input that isn't liable to injection but the list of caveats and when can go wrong when certain things are forgotten would be post in itself.

I am a bit ambivalent of having forums designed around having all the threads on a single page as opposed to the legacy format of a listing of categories and having lists of threads under each category. I suppose if its really wanted one could design a similar layout for Flarum.

Taltessy

Hello,

I hope it's ok to discuss this offtopic question, otherwise feel free to delete it.

As I was reading through the "Welcome to the GrapheneOS discussion forum!" topic, I came across a post from Daniel (strcat), in which he talks about why the GrapheneOS team choosed to use Flarum as the forum software and that they explitly tried to avoid PHP. This gave me the impression that PHP is insecure and should therefore be avoided. Did I misinterpreted something or is it true that PHP is considered as insecure?

What are better alternatives to PHP?

There was also a part in the mentioned post above, that Daniel would prefer PostgreSQL, which led me to a similiar question: what are secure databases? What are insecure databases?

And now I'm going crazy: if you would develop some general sort of web page/application from ground up, what software/frameworks would you consider? What would you try to avoid?

I know that these are vague questions and that it always depends, but it would be nice to get some kind of direction.

Thanks ;)

strcat

Wonderfall We decided we didn't really need Reddit-style threading but rather just a reasonable system for replies. Discourse's attempt at implementing replies is a similar concept as Flarum but the user experience for it is terrible. The user experience for these replies is dramatically nicer since it's very uninvasive.

akc3n

strcat @Gabe
Is it possible to add some sort of secondary form of tagging for comments, ie. Best Answer?
Oh, and maybe a reminder for OP to mark thread as Solved afterwards?

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