WhatsApp

And again, former former NSA general counsel Stewart Baker said "if you have enough metadata, you don't really need content".
See also these slides from the International Association for Cryptologic Research.

You can repeat it like a monk in the coming years, like a prayer wheel. You won't change it. But maybe you'll enjoy it.

Let everyone do what they want. You don't have to do it.

Nice slides, ToffoliGate !

Thanks

hdishs the signal guys already said they will not do that.

brandy078 Did they say why? Please provide a link to their commentary.

hdishs
WhatsApp (WA) is closed source and uses not (!) the same code as Signal or Molly.
WA has a backdoor and the keys can be exchanged from the operator without giving the user a chance to know it.

In Signal you can easily check the encryption via comparing the so called 'Security number'.
And if there is a Man-in-the-middle-attack, the Security number changes instantly.

In WA the admin/operator can deactivate the deeply hidden check function to hide manipulations every time it's needed.

Don't trust WA! It is not only the secret collection and sale of all customer data, but also the hidden backdoor, which means that WA cannot offer any real end-to-end encryption.

How about the fact that most normal WhatsApp users enable unencrypted backups of their conversations to Apple or Google, meaning those tech giants potentially have your messages stored in clear-text on their servers, even if you choose to leave backups disabled. Technically, they could be running all your "private" conversations through their AI algorithms and learning quite a bit about you. Of course, I'm probably just being paranoid about that. At least Signal does not have an option to backup messages to the cloud.

Eagle_Owl Don't trust WA

Right.
In fact, everyone uses WA and I have neither the desire nor the patience to play the messiah in order to convert people, but I also don't play the fool and therefore refuse to see all these people, as many people think they have to do, I use WhatsApp, but I only babble irrelevant stuff there that isn't worth protecting. I would never share anything controversial there.