Oggyo @Nuttso
I know that the 30 seconds are not made up for security and relying on a button is not an option.
I just don't see a reason why someone should wait this long to restart. there is no benefit right?

in some situations it's an advantange even in terms of security. which of course doesnt mean it should be the whole concept on how to protect you data.

    vvf69107 What time period would you suggest? 5 sec would be good. Not to short not to long. If you agree open a feature request on GitHub. I don't see a problem shortening this period.

      Nuttso personally i think 2 - 3 seconds would be the sweet spot between not shutting down by accident when opening the power menu and being able to restart quickly.

      2 months later

      Nuttso

      Is there a way to contact you? I have read you are working with people on the encro case. I am "kind of" doing the same and I thought maybe we can help each other out.

      Let me know if its possible. My email is therealbunnygame@proton.me. I hope to hear from you.
      Cheers

      a month later

      Nuttso Hi, what is the probability that experts/authorities crack a smartphone with a four-digit pin? It is a Pixel6 with GOS in BFU condition. Can the waiting time be bypassed with special tools even with GOS if the wrong pin is entered several times?

        @vvf69107 I am surprised people don't understand what you are getting at.

        If you are about to get arrested, you may have time to put your hand in a pocket and hold down a button for 5 seconds and slowly remove your hand. That's not a lot of motion and may not get you hurt. Also you may notice something prior to an arrest: you might hear noises that are unusual or see something that makes you think there could be a possible arrest. You can't take out a phone and start pressing buttons and that point to initiate a process. It could also make an arrest more likely to do that if you aren't sure what's going on and make it harder to deny you didn't just do something that might be illegal in some countries. You might have time to hold down a button for 3 seconds.

        Having a 10 minute auto-reboot option is not practical for normal use and a long password. Any sort of good password is going to be long and a pain in the ass to type in each time. Most users may want the Owner profile to have a difficult password and other profiles that are less important to have an easier password for easy usage. A 10 minute auto-reboot will force you to keep logging into owner with a harder password again and again. A 10 minute auto reboot also relies on anyone doing an arrest not having an exploit for that situation and they might have an exploit for that and just don't tell people. An adversary may claim that an arrested person has an easy to guess a password like "fuckoff" and the suspect was not very good at making passwords when the password was really 10000 characters and the adversary doesn't want to give a way their exploit. People in law enforcement do lie at times including to the public. Arrested people with long sentences do not have a way of blogging about how they had great OPSEC and their adversary is lying about how they bypassed that and their password was never "fuck off" nor do they likely care at that point to warn others. For people with a high threat model using Profile 2 that resets every 8 hours of inactivity, they want to be able to shut down the phone faster than 30 seconds.

        5 seconds is much too long. It should be 2 seconds. 30 is very bad.

        It's sketchy that people don't grasp your initial concern.

          Nuttso

          https://www.androidauthority.com/titan-m2-google-3261547/

          Thanks for the quick reply, I'm not an expert, but the article is written in very general terms, it doesn't explicitly say it's Titan M2 chip, it's also unclear what is meant by cryptophones, don't the encryptions of the different operating systems differ? For example, Calyx and Graphene are not the same.
          Which device did the murderer of Peter R. de Vries have? Wich OS? I read that the victim died in July 2021, the TitanM2 came out later as far as I know. Whether the NSI also cracked the dedicated Titan M2 is the big question.

            Wallace

            It does not matter whether it was the 1 or 2. If one could be bypassed, the successor can also be bypassed at some point. An alphanumeric password is mandatory. 192bit + entropy

            6 days later

            vvf69107 how, where, and why do you keep getting this arbitrary 30 seconds from? You have a defective device.

            It takes roughly 7 seconds maybe 10 holding power and volume+ and the phone reboots.

            You've been given the auto reboot, which goes to as low as 10 minutes. I'd have to agree, if your threat model is that dire you should really reconsider how you use the Device. You have options you just don't find them fast or 1-click done approved.

              pyg thanks a lot for your explanation. i hope it raises more awareness on the issue.

              N3rdTek I didn't know about the fast reboot method. Thanks alot!

              Holding down two buttons for nearly 10 seconds i still too much i think, but way better than the powerbutton only.

                I've tidied up a few comments in this thread. A reminder to keep conversation civil on this forum, and that this forum is English language only.

                @"N3rdTek"#p42857 I did not say 10 minutes auto reboot is too long. sorry for my harsh reaction earlier.

                16 days later

                vvf69107 I can manage it with one hand are you looking to do something with exactly one finger?

                Blastoidea

                If your phone is in an already powered on and running state, holding the power button for 30 sec will reboot the phone without requiring you to look at the screen and press reboot.