Motorola partnership announcement

de0u

Newbie2026 Any idea when the Motorola Signature 27 will launch and how much would it cost?

Availability dates and prices vary widely by country. I recommend a web search.

Availability of GrapheneOS on Signature 27 devices will not be known in a firm sense before either Motorola or the GrapheneOS project makes an announcement.

Johnnyloans

gowowa1659 The snapdragon 8EE6 is known to be very disappointing.
gowowa1659 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gjUzH4UcSkw

This video is hilariously ridiculous and biased against Qualcomm.

tldr; Table of Contents:

Qualcomm doesn't use the latest, 8-week-old memory in any current phones -- very bad.
How do they run benchmarks at every power limit? (0.25W on the SoC up to 11+W)
The new 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6 (8EE6) is slower than Gen 5 & Gen 1
The New 8EE6 uses 165% more power than Qualcomm's claims.
Dedicating several segments of the video to bash Qualcomm's alleged failures
Despite being power hungry, Qualcomm heavily undervolted this processor
L2 memory latency is 6x slower for half of the tests
GSM Arena tests show performance and battery life improvements despite the video showing a disaster for both.

Observations

@~15:20

qualcomm and mediatek still only sell LPDDR5X phones.

The successor to LPDDR5X is LPDDR6 which I am not even sure it is available for sale yet it's so new. I can't find any sticks for sale. The 2-month-old article below says China just began manufacturing this LPDDR6 before Samsung and SK Hynix started at all.

https://hothardware.com/news/china-cxmt-starts-lpddr6-mass-production-xiaomi

So, it's insane to say phone manufacturers are behind the times for not using 8 week old technology that consumers cannot buy for their PCs. Samsung isn't releasing a new S27 ultra every month to use the latest technology.

@~15:06

They have many charts showing performance at various Watts. (Context: some of these SoCes have Performance cores, Efficiency cores, as well as high-efficiency cores) I highly doubt they were able to turn off Performance cores & Efficiency cores & then set a power limit of what looks to be 0.25 Watts. They then test its speed and then re-run this test several times at 0.25W or 0.5W intervals to get their curves. I do not see this as feesible honestly.

Source image: https://imgur.com/otiKjjh

@~19:02

They claim that not only the 8 elite extreme gen 6 is worse than the gen 5, but also worse than the gen 5 and gen 1. Wow.

https://imgur.com/diP0blz

The new 8ee6 peaks at: 3.29 performance @ 3.06 Watts
The old 8e5 achieves: 3.29 performance @ 1.85 Watts

This is a 65% power increase for the same performance. (165%)
Qualcomm claims a 37% power efficiency improvement. (63%)

We can calculate percent error with the equation: | ( 0.63 - 1.65) / 0.63 | * 100

We get 163% error.
Keep in mind that 20% would be unacceptably high and we are over 8x worse that.

Is it reasonable that Qualcomm's new processor is claimed to be at 63% power but is actually 165% power compared to last gen?

Harsh on Qualcomm

They're hyping up the other processors and dedicate several segments for bashing Qualcomm with some very harsh words about what a disaster this processor is.

Keep in mind these are all alleged claims

Worse instructions per clock -- a disaster
Deep Dive: The Flawed TLB Design
L2 Cache Latency & Power Coupling
Oryon Software Bug & Stability
- Android (AOSP) has bugs for this new processor -- Qualcomm's own submitted code
Qualcomm Heavily undervolted their new SoC

Qualcomm's Heavy undervolt

In the video, they state they had a pre-release or early release Qualcomm device randomly have a black screen and they immediately think: "My CPU is defective."
wtf? I've seen 1 defective CPU in my life -- it's extremely rare.

How do they know it's not a bad capacitor on the motherboard? bad SSD? OEM software bug? A problem caused by them rooting the phone? Them tinkering around with power limits?

Remember when they claimed this new SoC uses over double the power compared to Qualcomm's claims? Power is Voltage multiplied by amps.

How is this new processor so absurdly power hungry; yet, the voltage has been lowered by an extreme amount which is the "obvious" reason for 1 crash that supposedly happened?

@37:19 - They spent days working on this Qualcomm instability

I highly doubt they raised the voltage of the SoC -- is it even possible? To determine that that is in fact the issue. They had 1 crash and it never happened again. They could have done 5 push-ups and concluded that that fixed their phone.

31:21 - L2 memory latency

https://imgur.com/CHwhywK

If we estimate the 8ee6 is at 50ns and the 8e5 is 8ns between the ranges of 128kB and 8192kB -- the largest gap -- that is over 6 times slower for accessing memory.

GSM Arena tests

There is so much wrong with this video -- I could go on. Anyway, let's look at another group's tests on this SoC that is allegedly up to 1/6th the speed at times.

RedMagic 12 Pro vs RedMagic 11 Pro (8ee6 vs 8e5)
https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=15012&idPhone2=14277

Scrolling down to 'our tests' we get the following improvements from last gen:
Performance
AnTuTu v11: +11.5%
GeekBench v6: +5.5%
3DMark: +6.7%
It is faster than gen 5 -- not slower than gen 5 & gen 1

Battery life
From their "active use tests"
+12.7% longer battery

Conclusion

The video's claims lack evidence and are comically exaggerated into what I can only describe as not based in reality.
According to the video, I would expect less than half of the battery life in GSM Arena's test.

Johnnyloans

I would wait for other outfits to test this new SoC and I advise people to disregard this youtuber. GSM arena has the opposite results of what's found in the video.

PrivSecAddict

PrivSecAddict Back in 2025, Pixel 8 already featured MTE.
Pixel 8 was and still is resistant to extraction procedures.

@mmmm Here is more recent data about even newer iPhone vulnerabilities: https://andreafortuna.org/2026/10/21/cellebrite-advanced-unlocks/
All of them are supposedly related to the lack of MIE.
I'm not aware of successful data extraction from even older 6 and 7 series Pixels which also lack MTE.

lpants

Johnnyloans Concernig battery life, I would like to kindly note that RedMagic 12 Pro has a bigger battery than 11 pro, 8400mah vs 7500mah, a 12% increase. It does't seem like 8ee6 is more power efficient than its predecessor, unfortunately.

Johnnyloans

lpants a 12% increase. It does't seem like 8ee6 is more power efficient than its predecessor, unfortunately.

Good catch. There are other factors for power usage other than the processor. The Signature 27 has, i think it's called, a tandem OLED screen -- meaning 2 layers of LEDs (gsmarena calls it an 'Extreme AMOLED Duo screen'). One of the advantages is higher peak brightness during the summer sun months to easily see the screen.

As you can imagine, about double the LEDs uses more power. Screens are the biggest battery user for most people. The new RedMagic 12 Pro has a different screen in this revision:
New: 5000 nits (peak brightness) Old model: 1800 nits (peak).

There could be other changes in the 12 Pro eating at any possible efficiency gains.

I tried searching other phone models with an Qualcomm 8EE gen 6 on gsmarena and there isn't an 'our tests' section yet. We'll have to wait for more phone reviews to get a more solid conclusion. It's still a very new SoC.

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