Motorola partnership announcement

de0u

PrivSecAddict

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/summary/ecodesign-requirements-smartphones-mobile-phones-other-than-smartphones-cordless-phones-and-slate-tablets.html

https://www.dataguard.com/cyber-resilience-act/requirements/

The second page says "enforceable December 2027", so if Motorola is currently meeting the GrapheneOS requirements that isn't because the EU is making them do it.

Also, I looked quickly... while there were a bunch of instances of "without delay" on that second page, that can't literally be true, because fixing anything serious absolutely involves some delay. Is there documentation of the actual promptness requirement? Or maybe they'll figure it out as they go along?

Foggy

dhhdjbd This feels like classic Lenovo pricing. Prices up to +100% / -50% based on territory. When you contact your business sales rep you get the actual price they're willing to sell it to you, which bears little resemblance to the 'list' price in your country.

I have a Lenovo laptop that got terrible reviews because it was 'too expensive' in the US, but the UK pricing that we actually paid was about 50-60% of the US price in the reviews. This was in 2021 before all the RAM craziness too.

So I'd wait to see what deals are actually available. In particular carriers are able to hide a lot of the price in monthly payments. For illustration 24 months at EUR50 per month might mean the money you actually pay is only EUR1200 and you get 2 years of free airtime included - this is an effective discount without them having to show a lower 'buy now' price.

lilluidicris

SplatterGames Your greed doesn't indicate an "insane profit margin" suggesting there is one is utterly ridiculous, its not how commodity products work. The memory and storage in it is likely around 200 dollars. The camera probably over 200 when looking at other known camera costs that aren't at the same tier. The screen, likely over 180. The SOC around 250-300, the software licenses (for all 8 years), 60-120. Assembly, 40-60 dollars. I just dont see a scenario where COGS is less than about 1000-1100 dollars and that is before packaging, distribution and taxes. Early adopters always pay a premium for getting in first while the vendor is still recouping its capital outlays on the device development costs. We have been overpaying for Pixel devices by about 200-500 dollars (when comparing to contemporarily competitors) since the 6 came out and its widely believe they likely sold the 6 and 7 at a loss. Not because the costs weren't there, but because evidently, since the end of Nexus, Google completely forgot how to create a product.

mmmm

lilluidicris you can say that again. I came from and iphone 13 pro to a pixel 8. GrapheneOS aside, the difference is astonishing. The iPhone was 2 years older than the p8 at release and the p8 is utterly failing in every metric except weight (and OS obv's).

PrivSecAddict

mmmm These are completely different worlds. Apple's walled garden is very limited.

mmmm

PrivSecAddict its exactly the same world, iphone from years ago destroy modern pixels. No comparison whatsoever. Pixels are cheaper by a big margin so that's cool. But at least now we have something equivalent flagship wise.

PrivSecAddict

mmmm iphone from years ago destroy modern pixels

In terms of hardware?

mmmm

PrivSecAddict yes. And general usage. Why? I'm not comparing OS' here - but even if I was ios is pretty fluid and consistent when compared with any other os including GrapheneOS. Dont get me l wrong I have been using graphene as a daily for over 2 years, approaching 3. But there is no denying the beauty, efficiency and speed of iphones. Current pixels are generations behind iPhones. It's fine if it doesn't matter to yoh. Pixels are still a thing. But for those who need or just even want, it's good to see a high spec phone supported.

PrivSecAddict

mmmm It's known Pixels don't feature top tier hardware compared to competitors. That's not why we buy them. The only matching parameter is compatibility with GrapheneOS. Otherwise there are many other Android alternatives with great hardware and more freedom compared to the Apple's ecosystem.

Back in 2025, Pixel 8 already featured MTE.
Pixel 8 was and still is resistant to extraction procedures.

mmmm

PrivSecAddict ok? But now we have a flagship phone to choose from if we would like. That's great.

SplatterGames

lilluidicris Your greed doesn't indicate an "insane profit margin"

hmmm, my "greed", sure. You just love wasting money I guess? If Motorola charged 4000€ for that thing, I'm sure you would buy it too.

How exactly does "my greed" explain the 500€ difference in pricing between countries then? Or are you going to tell me that Motorola is selling at a loss there, too?

Your BoM calculation is also pretty far off. Those components don't cost nearly as much as you think.

frameovershoot

Can we at least know, if not exact then at least approximately how many months we need to wait to be able to install the graphene os firmware on signature 27 ? I don't see any single info about this. The signature 27 phone is already officially public released like couple of days.

GrapheneOS

mmmm

frameovershoot they have indicated for months it will be 2027ish. Just search the forum

de0u

frameovershoot Can we at least know, if not exact then at least approximately how many months we need to wait to be able to install the graphene os firmware on signature 27 ?

When the GrapheneOS project is ready for pre-alpha testers, I suspect that will become known to people subscribed to one of the "testing" chat rooms (and then probably somebody will post about it on this forum). Personally I do not expect the GrapheneOS project to issue any fine-grained time predictions before then. When Motorola might announce something is up to Motorola's PR team.

Clearly lots of people would like to know when GrapheneOS will be available on the Signature 27, but neither more people wanting to know, nor greater intensity of desire, makes the development/testing process run faster.

userofgos

Latest comment from the GrapheneOS project account on X/Twitter: https://nitter.mizuki.st/GrapheneOS/status/2118775151214874858#m

We don't have a firm timeline yet. It will probably be available shortly after launch, perhaps a month later. We want to make sure everything is fully functional and stable before releasing it. All the variants of the device not locked by carriers will be fully supported.

Also, last I heard, they don't even have the final S27 device in hand yet, they only had a prototype.

pixelate

userofgos Well, if the Sig27 releases, as announced, on the 26th, sounds like we could see GOS running on it before 2027.

CrYpT999

What is the possibility of the Sig27 being able to pass Device or Strong Play Integrity?

userofgos

CrYpT999 highly unlikely. AFAIK that requires being licensed by GMS.

de0u

CrYpT999 What is the possibility of the Sig27 being able to pass Device or Strong Play Integrity?

I'm sure it will when it is running Motorola's official Android that meets contractual requirements for shipping the relevant Google ecosystem -- exactly as is true for Pixels.

What Google Play Integrity's attestation checks is whether the device is running a software stack that Google approves of. The hardware is capable of certifying any OS (on Pixels, Motorola devices, whatever) but it's up to the remote server to decide which OS and which app it approves of.

Motorola allowing Signature 27 devices to replace the Google-approved OS with an unapproved OS does not mean that Google will be tricked into approving an unapproved OS -- again, just like Pixel devices.

Newbie2026

Any idea when the Motorola Signature 27 will launch and how much would it cost?

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