mysudo vs jmp.chat ?

Keurig

When it comes to voice over protocol these are the two names that are frequently spoken of.

More so jmp.chat. My issue with this companies site/presentation is that it appears to be something pulled and held together. As an uninformed individual when you hear 'The easiest way is to make a call from your Jabber client, if you are using a supporting client such as Cheogram for Android, Conversations*, Snikket, Movim, or Gajim'.... I have to use multi 3rd party support to make a phone call. I also have to add in an @ symbol at the end of text messages in order to send pics/textes....

Looking at mysudo...Nothing like that is happening. It appears to be more so the complete package. Closest thing to the most user friendly platform there is ? Not trying to up the idea of mysudo. Simply judging from whats being presented on there sites. Please folks. I am just trying to figure out here which would be the most user friendly version of an VoIp Service.

Thank You,
Love Ya'll!

applesbana

Keurig

A couple of random points from when I was researching the same:

Mysudo requires google play services if you want to be notified of phone calls
Mysudo doesn’t work in many countries I would travel to and they have been known to disable accounts if using vpns to bypass their location restrictions
Jmp.chat was too expensive given the amount of voice calls I need to do for business
Jmp also seemed a bit clunky to me, but I haven’t actually used it

I don’t love my solution but I ended up with a couple of throwaway google voice accounts (for random sign ups, contractors, etc…) and then my normal SIM card for friends/family/business

DeletedUser115

Keurig I haven't used mysudo so can't really comment on them I do know you can't signup for their service on GOS but can continue using it on GOS if signed up on stock.

I had really good experience with jmp.chat. suggest using their client Cheogram which makes the whole experience much smoother. Reliable service that worked well for me. Can signup over Tor and pay with BTC which is good for privacy.

Keurig

DeletedUser115

This is the thing that's confusing me about the jmp.chat experience.
For this to work you need several plug ins to create a user friendly experience ?
So jmp.chat is the actual paid for service that gives you a phone number correct ?
Cheogram is that interface/messenger screen ?
And I would also have to download 'Jabber' ?
Which appears to be another plug in that frames all of this together ?
Why is this so confusing. Am I missing anything else ?

DeletedUser115

Keurig It definitely can be confusing the first time!

You only need 2 pieces: Cheogram app and jmp.chat number.

jmp.chat is a VOIP service that gives you a phone number and acts like a bridge between traditional telephone network and Jabber network (also called XMPP). You pay the company behind jmp.chat for the phone number and SMS/calling services. They "convert" traditional SMS and calls into instant messages and VOIP calls via Jabber.

To receive and send messages and receive and make calls you need a Jabber client app. Cheorgam is one of such apps, the benefit of this particular one is it was made by the same team as jmp.chat and works very well together.

The best way to start is pick a phone number on jmp.chat homepage and they will walk you through the process.

Privacy

So JMP.chat is a bit confusing. This has been my main issue with it. You need a jabber ID. You can get one for free from chatterboxtown as an example. Once you select a jabber ID, let JMP.chat support know and they link your number. From there, I'd suggest using the Cheogram app. You still need to record voicemail, decide how long each phone call rings, etc. It is a bit daunting to set up at first, but has been very reliable for me. So, MySudo does most of the set up for you, whereas, JMP is a bit more involved.

DeletedUser115

Privacy Once you select a jabber ID, let JMP.chat support know and they link your number.

You can do it yourself, no need to contact their support.

applesbana

My primary desire is for my SIM card phone number to essentially be unknown to anyone else. This would make it challenging to ever try a sim swap attack or for ppl to track my location history using my widely known phone number (via SIM card cell tower tracking).

I don’t want to use mysudo due to needing play services. Jmp is both clunky and too expensive for me. I also do need the occasional 2fa code from a financial institution which I’ve heard sometimes has an issue with voip numbers. Lastly, I travel internationally fairly frequently so mysudo silly country restrictions don’t work for me and I can’t risk them shutting off my account for using a VPN.

Any suggestions are welcome to find a good solution for my use case!

User2288

applesbana
Have a look at this article: https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/2892-voip-run-down

Also search for words, VOIP and SIP on this forum and see if any useful info comes your way.

What you want is what I was looking for as well, but I haven't found a good solution. The problem with VOIP numbers on your phone is that you still need a sim card with data to use them. The sim is naturally "cell tower tracked" and you location known to the telecom company (Unless if you use your voip only from wifi, which is not practical for normal use). You will also need a "SIP App" to use the VOIP. The app needs some kind of notification service to work like google play, and its likely the app will gather personal data on you like other corporate apps do. The better quality "apps" are paid apps (still not private though) and to pay for them you might probably have to use google play pay method. Another point of privacy loss.

As for a well priced sip service I know of voip.ms . Have a look. There might be better ones.

As for 2FA using a phone number, it's very likely that no voip number will work for major companies like google/microsoft/amazon/etc. These company can detect voip numbers and prevent their use for 2FA. Smaller less capable companies might accept voip numbers. But the big players don't. So generally you may not be able to use your voip number for 2FA.

Benefit of voip numbers from a decent voip company is that you can use it worldwide when you travel, and you can use it on different devices.

GlytchMeister

User2288

Have you come across a good solution yet?

I'd prefer to avoid mysudo due to google, so I'm mainly looking at jmp.chat... It being expensive for phone calls is... Something I can tolerate because I don't make very many calls, but if you've found a better option, I'd be very interested in learning about it.

maybefunke

User2288 Have you tried smsactivate.com for activation codes? I've not tried myself but have read several good testimonials for google and meta based services.

rbb

JMP.Chat works very well on Graphene with no Google services. Mysudo possibly has its place, but within the Graphene environment, JMP is the clear winner. Mysudo ultimately has strong google/apple dependencies.
JMP.Chat/Cheogram alongside Signal is a great combination, in my opinion.
JMP also offers a data plan with no KYC if that is important to you (much like Silent Link). I beleive Cheogram can also be used as a Unified push distributor.
They also have good and responsive customer service.

tilion_silverbow

I've been using jmp.chat for over a year now for numbers (multiple) and data. I agree it is a little overwhelming to get it up and running in the beginning, but the support team is really helpful, and once you do get it set up it works exactly as expected.

brindlebeauty810

Not sure if I should just start a new thread, but i'll try here first...
I'm trying to compartmentalize my various logins for online accounts into groups of say tech, banking, social, shopping, etc. It's fairly easy to get multiple emails and aliases for each group, but some require phone numbers attached and I don't want the same phone number to tie them all together and completely contaminate the original point. I'm seeing JMP.chat, hushed and mysudo as options... I'm about to switch to GOS so of course some compatibility is needed, but the main goal is just to have 6 ish phone numbers that may receive the odd SMS verification i guess... I'm not as concerned about phone calls, as the accounts that will need to call me are generally also needing my real identity anyways...
First question is which service for this...
Second question, am I going about this correctly?

Thanks!

Panda7878

Hi Brindlebeauty.

Forgive me for the late reply, but this is the setup I have (and I know each person has to access their own threat model), but I have three numbers. My mobile number is for friends and family only (eventually I will merge this to a VOIP, possibily jmp.chat), my second number is a VOIP with Number Barn (I use this for businesses only, such as banks, doctors, dentist, etc.). I use their forwarding service (which includes your own number) for $8.99/month and then to send/receive texts, it's another $1.00/month. Also, some business emails cannot be received, which is annoying, but they do tell you that. If you want unlimited calls, which call that number, it's like $20.00/month, the forwarding service calls my mobile number, although the person calling does not know that. My last number is for dating or random people that I don't need having any of my other two numbers. I am about to switch to jmp.chat (i have been with 1-voip, although I have no bad things to say, they need google play services for it to run. One of the technicians I spoke to, did send me a link for an APK that doesn't require google play services, but I don't want to go thru all that hassle. I am going to setup jmp.chat for my third number. That is my setup and feel free to ask any questions, if I didn't explain it completely or correctly.

Have a great day! :)