iOS vs GOS

Slim

raccoondad Most people that switch to GOS are trying to get away from Google. This is basic, doesn't require much thought/comprehension. You do you, though. The "but it's sandboxed" cope is crazy though.

raccoondad

Slim The "but it's sandboxed" cope is crazy though.

Once again, no proof, just mindless insults. Come back with an argument on my points, unless you don't actually have any.

"Most people switching to GOS are trying to get away from Google"

Your statement is not based on anything, but also anyones goal that is purely 'get away from Google' (as a pure singular value and not as a byproduct of other goals/intentions/needs) is not really someone I hold high regards to in understanding actual cybersec/datasec standards and capacity to critically think in this subject matter. 99% of people with this singular goal in mind end up not doing it at all basically, but rather just run (often insecure) operating systems and software and end up still getting in line with analytic data collection like we all do online at some point.

You are kind of proving, to me, you don't really understand the subject matter and are just one of the many people who spread misinformed talking points on cybersec. Your arguments are incredibly surface level.

de0u

Slim Most people that switch to GOS are trying to get away from Google. This is basic, doesn't require much thought/comprehension.

I guess I missed the survey data supporting that conclusion. Or maybe it's just an opinion?

Maybe some fraction of GrapheneOS users are looking to limit Google's access to personal data without completely zeroing it out?

Meanwhile, I'm still curious about some issues from last week:

How does Apple's equivalent of IFVS work? (de0u)
Have there been any retractions/amendments of previous YouTube content? (GrapheneOS)
Where is it that "blocking 'Network Permission' means 'no network calls'"? Would that be on iOS, or is there some Linux distribution with a "Network Permission"? Wherever that is, if an app is installed on that system and the "Network Permission" is denied, does that mean that no other apps will make "network calls" to find out information about that app? (de0u)

Slim

raccoondad You are 100% entitled to your opinion, though your statement is not based on anything, either. 😂

raccoondad

Slim though your statement is not based on anything, either.

The app permission model on Android includes permissions for:

contacts, files, notifications, messages, call log, and more.

With GOS, this includes network toggling, file scoping, and contact scoping.

User installed applications have only a subset of actually available permissions, more serious permissions like accessibility and device admin are never requested by sandboxed Google Play.

And of course, sandboxed google play can be disabled and uninstalled at any time.

None of this applies to stock OS play services. It has privileged access to androids permissions. It can't be disabled or removed, and it is global on all users.

I touched on this on my initial message, which you said was 'cope', so please explain how this is 'cope' because once again you are proving to be arguing in purely bad faith and I think people should know to take your opinion without seriousness over it.

You have backed exactly 0 arguments towards me with actual facts, just purely vibes. This is a joke of actual cybersec discussion on your part.

Xtreix

@Slim hides comments from GrapheneOS users on his YouTube video to prevent viewers from reading them. He has hidden all my comments, which I can only see if I am logged into my account; other users cannot see them. He is an influencer who will continue to act in bad faith and who is not interested in GrapheneOS and the community, but prefers to validate fabricated stories against the founder and that the GrapheneOS community is weird/extreme, etc.

@Slim , stick with iOS, convenience is what matters most to you on a smartphone (PS: convenience is also important to me). You don't care about the arguments of the GrapheneOS community members and the project's official account. You certainly don't support the project or its mass adoption, goodbye.

de0u Have there been any retractions/amendments of previous YouTube content? (GrapheneOS)

No.

Slim

raccoondad Network permission to Google Play Services for notifications is a huge issue, IMO. Maybe not for you all, but for me, it is.

raccoondad

Slim Ok but you just moved the entire discussion from 'Google Play services sandboxing is' to quote 'cope' to a different claim all together. Are you unable to defend your initial point or?

Slim

raccoondad Comment still stands!

raccoondad

Slim
So in other words: You made claims without evidence, and when those claims were dis-proven, instead of conceding, you moved the goalpost....alright then. What a wonderful convo this has been, but I think this comment alone proves what needs to be said.

Slim

raccoondad I will re-iterate once more for you, comment still stands! If you can't comprehend, that is not something I can help you with but I wish you the best.
Refer to post number 70 on this thread though, cheers

raccoondad

Slim If you can't comprehend

I can comprehend fine, you argue in bad faith. End of story

Slim

raccoondad However you want to deflect, that's fine. Every post here just boosts viewership of the video anyway so it's all good. Win win for me.

Fay_Wilmont

I'm glad the misunderstanding about the TradingView domain being contacted when the TradingView app was installed, despite the Network permission being revoked, was cleared up! Very interesting, I learned something, and I'm always grateful when I get the chance to learn something :) It was weird @Slim just went silent on the topic instead of admitting he misunderstood what happened though...

Slim Sure, I'd like to know why this is happening, and why it's only happening on that one app. But I do not expect an answer.

Maybe because he didn't expect an answer, he closed his mind to it? 🤔

r134a

Xtreix de0u Have there been any retractions/amendments of previous YouTube content? (GrapheneOS)

No.

I've expected it would only have been fair to acknowledge a mistake and correct it, especially from a high quality channel that uses a plastic plant as decoration.

MetropleX

This has reached it's natural conclusion and served whatever purpose it may have once had. As there is no further benefit to continuing any further line of discourse I am locking this thread.

I am leaving it for posterity to show the demonstrable helpfulness and good faith approaches made by the project and the community at large to help propagate honest, truthful and helpful information.

Thankyou all.

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